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I don't like this idea of buying elections. But at the very least, I'm happy to see the Democratic machine upside-down, with all of the designated incumbent ro

I don't like this idea of buying elections. But at the very least, I'm happy to see the Democratic machine upside-down, with all of the designated incumbent royalty falling behind the outsiders.

jacob019 7y ago
I appreciate the sentiment, but for those of us who have been negatively impacted by the policies of the current administration, it is worrying that a candidate with broad appeal has failed to materialize at this point.
- danenania 7y ago
  Based on approval polls, Bernie Sanders is one of the best-liked politicians in America. He has often literally been number 1 in these polls. So I think he does have broad appeal, just not to rich and influential people (who make up a small minority, despite their outsized ability to have their voices heard).
- slumdev 7y ago
  You've got one, but the machine keeps sabotaging him. I don't think there are ten Democrats who oppose what Bernie Sanders stands for. But there are millions of Democrats who oppose what they think he stands for.
- davexunit 7y ago
  The candidate with broad appeal is Bernie Sanders.
  - whatshisface 7y ago
    Broad appeal among democrats, but the candidate with the best chances in the national election is not the center Democrat, it's the center American, which if you imagine Democrats and Republicans being two ranges butted up against the center, is the rightmost Democrat!
    - iron0013 7y ago
      That’s not what the head-to-head matchups against Trump say. Polls have shown over and over again that almost any democrat beats Trump in a head-to-head matchup, but that Bernie, Biden, and Bloomberg are all just about tied in beating Trump by the largest margins. Most voters don’t have a coherent ideology. The ever-appealing “center” is not a real thing; it exists only wherever voters can be convinced it exists.
    - mrguyorama 7y ago
      I don't believe republicans or "independent" voters will ever actually cross the aisle anymore. Trump still has massive MASSIVE support from registered republicans.
      - jacob019 7y ago
        Less than a third of Americans identify as republican.
        mrguyorama 7y ago
        And that third gives Trump something like a 90% approval rating. My base assumption is that in order to win them over, you'd have to significantly match up with their world view. A significant part of their world view seems to be that "Democrat = bad" so that's kind of a non-starter, and I'm not sure I'd want someone elected who has compromised their platform, morals, principles, etc enough to be liked by people who still support Trump.
    - davexunit 7y ago
      Bernie Sanders is the most popular candidate among all Americans. Republicans are going to vote for Trump no matter what and a center-right Democrat will not change this. The only way to defeat Trump is to produce a record turnout among young people and people that have felt abandoned by the political establishment that would otherwise not vote. The only candidate that can possibly do this is Bernie Sanders.

I don't like this idea of buying elections. But at the very least, I'm happy to see the Democratic machine upside-down, with all of the designated incumbent royalty falling behind the outsiders.

jacob019 7y ago

I appreciate the sentiment, but for those of us who have been negatively impacted by the policies of the current administration, it is worrying that a candidate with broad appeal has failed to materialize at this point.

danenania 7y ago
Based on approval polls, Bernie Sanders is one of the best-liked politicians in America. He has often literally been number 1 in these polls. So I think he does have broad appeal, just not to rich and influential people (who make up a small minority, despite their outsized ability to have their voices heard).
slumdev 7y ago
You've got one, but the machine keeps sabotaging him. I don't think there are ten Democrats who oppose what Bernie Sanders stands for. But there are millions of Democrats who oppose what they think he stands for.
davexunit 7y ago
The candidate with broad appeal is Bernie Sanders.
- whatshisface 7y ago
  Broad appeal among democrats, but the candidate with the best chances in the national election is not the center Democrat, it's the center American, which if you imagine Democrats and Republicans being two ranges butted up against the center, is the rightmost Democrat!
  - iron0013 7y ago
    That’s not what the head-to-head matchups against Trump say. Polls have shown over and over again that almost any democrat beats Trump in a head-to-head matchup, but that Bernie, Biden, and Bloomberg are all just about tied in beating Trump by the largest margins. Most voters don’t have a coherent ideology. The ever-appealing “center” is not a real thing; it exists only wherever voters can be convinced it exists.
  - mrguyorama 7y ago
    I don't believe republicans or "independent" voters will ever actually cross the aisle anymore. Trump still has massive MASSIVE support from registered republicans.
    - jacob019 7y ago
      Less than a third of Americans identify as republican.
      - mrguyorama 7y ago
        And that third gives Trump something like a 90% approval rating. My base assumption is that in order to win them over, you'd have to significantly match up with their world view. A significant part of their world view seems to be that "Democrat = bad" so that's kind of a non-starter, and I'm not sure I'd want someone elected who has compromised their platform, morals, principles, etc enough to be liked by people who still support Trump.
  - davexunit 7y ago
    Bernie Sanders is the most popular candidate among all Americans. Republicans are going to vote for Trump no matter what and a center-right Democrat will not change this. The only way to defeat Trump is to produce a record turnout among young people and people that have felt abandoned by the political establishment that would otherwise not vote. The only candidate that can possibly do this is Bernie Sanders.