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I think the vast majority of folks who voted for Trump felt that they received what they were expecting to receive. I think most who voted that way the first go

by eej71 7y ago

I think the vast majority of folks who voted for Trump felt that they received what they were expecting to receive. I think most who voted that way the first go around will likely vote for him again should they return to the polls.

Loughla 7y ago
>should they return to the polls. Illinois counties downstate (I live in a bordering state) ran out of Republican primary ballots last election. These people come out in droves. They will continue to come out in full force, 150%. I believe we will see record turn out in the fall, and it will be mostly Trump supporters.
octonion 7y ago
And what, exactly, were they expecting to receive?
- dahfizz 7y ago
  Tax cuts and a big middle finger to the democrats.
  - mrguyorama 7y ago
    I don't think they honestly cared about tax cuts. It's all about "Owning the libs" and making America "great" which Fox news tells them is exactly what America is now thanks to Trump and no no other countries are laughing at us constantly that's "Fake news"
    - dahfizz 7y ago
      The far right is obviously very obsessed with "owning the libs". There is a massive, silent, and barely political segment of the population between far left and far right. For that silent majority, the only real impact they will have noticed from the Trump presidency is that they paid slightly less in tax. Most people genuinely don't care about politics. Everyone cares about their money. I think the tax cuts are more important than you let on.
      - mrguyorama 7y ago
        If they honestly cared about the tax cuts then they would have noticed how transparent they were and how after a couple years they wouldn't benefit the average American at all.
        dahfizz 7y ago
        It is nearly impossible to overestimate the stupidity of the average person. They don't know or care about tax policy, what deductions apply when, how rates are calculated, none of it. They will only notice that they paid less this year than normal, and that will make them happy.
- eej71 7y ago
  I believe most wanted a bull in a china shop to gore the sacred cows of the media elite, policy wonks, and "experts".
- beaner 7y ago
  Edit: at least point out why you're downvoting me, this is a straightforward answer to the question. -- - The wall - Fight against sanctuary cities, including now support for a bill that would allow relatives of murdered US citizens who were victims of aliens protected by Sanctuary laws, to sue those sanctuary cities. - Travel ban, which for me is a litmus test as to whether you are a "crazy leftist" by whether or not you actually think it's a "muslim ban." - Stronger economy through less regulation - Bring back jobs to US - Rational trade deals that prioritize US, not sacrifice it. (China, USMCA, etc.) - A general aversion to taking other first-world countries' shit, who simultaneously exploit us for money and protection, and say how horrible we are. - Reversal of Iran deal - Efforts to remove US from middle east - Prison reform - Drug price transparency - "Drain the swamp" / exposure of the "deep state" / revelation that this concept is real and simple: the natural bias that occurs within government when there is a 90%/10% political imbalance. (Currently 90% democrat/10% republican.) This manifests as things like the Mueller report: based on a lie, started by hostile government actors, causes a shit-ton of political casualties who would not even be considered if they were on the other side, wastes everybody's time and money. And it is only possible for it to happen one way: against Republicans. This is transparent and obvious. - 5 year foreign lobbying ban - Repeal and replace Obamacare. (As an anecdote, my mom said that out of the whole 8 years of Obama as president, the only thing that really changed for her is that she paid more for insurance while receiving less, a direct result of Obamacare.) - Support the vets / VA - Space Force - Supreme court justice - Protection of religious expression in schools - "Fuck you" to liberal elites [1] [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDL3Yjl31K8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDL3Yjl31K8
  - cyorir 7y ago
    > Edit: at least point out why you're downvoting me, this is a straightforward answer to the question. > which for me is a litmus test as to whether you are a "crazy leftist" Implying that those who disagree with you are "crazy leftists" might be one reason for a downvote, for a start.
    - pacoWebConsult 7y ago
      That's a bad faith response. He literally said if you believe it's a honest-to-god muslim ban he will categorize you as a 'crazy leftist', not if you disagree with him about whether or not it is good or bad. It is objectively not a muslim ban as anyone from those countries was barred, and the demographics of the countries don't automatically make it a muslim ban or imply any malfeasance by the president.
mensetmanusman 7y ago
Most of my family was so nihilistic after the press called Romney a nazi for transporting their dogs on top of their vehicles that they were happy to do whatever made the press mad. At first the press only talked about Trump to ignore real republican thought, then it became a reinforcing cycle as people bought into the despair.

by eej71 7y ago

Loughla 7y ago

>should they return to the polls. Illinois counties downstate (I live in a bordering state) ran out of Republican primary ballots last election. These people come out in droves. They will continue to come out in full force, 150%. I believe we will see record turn out in the fall, and it will be mostly Trump supporters.

octonion 7y ago

And what, exactly, were they expecting to receive?

dahfizz 7y ago
Tax cuts and a big middle finger to the democrats.
- mrguyorama 7y ago
  I don't think they honestly cared about tax cuts. It's all about "Owning the libs" and making America "great" which Fox news tells them is exactly what America is now thanks to Trump and no no other countries are laughing at us constantly that's "Fake news"
  - dahfizz 7y ago
    The far right is obviously very obsessed with "owning the libs". There is a massive, silent, and barely political segment of the population between far left and far right. For that silent majority, the only real impact they will have noticed from the Trump presidency is that they paid slightly less in tax. Most people genuinely don't care about politics. Everyone cares about their money. I think the tax cuts are more important than you let on.
    - mrguyorama 7y ago
      If they honestly cared about the tax cuts then they would have noticed how transparent they were and how after a couple years they wouldn't benefit the average American at all.
      - dahfizz 7y ago
        It is nearly impossible to overestimate the stupidity of the average person. They don't know or care about tax policy, what deductions apply when, how rates are calculated, none of it. They will only notice that they paid less this year than normal, and that will make them happy.
eej71 7y ago
I believe most wanted a bull in a china shop to gore the sacred cows of the media elite, policy wonks, and "experts".
beaner 7y ago
Edit: at least point out why you're downvoting me, this is a straightforward answer to the question. -- - The wall - Fight against sanctuary cities, including now support for a bill that would allow relatives of murdered US citizens who were victims of aliens protected by Sanctuary laws, to sue those sanctuary cities. - Travel ban, which for me is a litmus test as to whether you are a "crazy leftist" by whether or not you actually think it's a "muslim ban." - Stronger economy through less regulation - Bring back jobs to US - Rational trade deals that prioritize US, not sacrifice it. (China, USMCA, etc.) - A general aversion to taking other first-world countries' shit, who simultaneously exploit us for money and protection, and say how horrible we are. - Reversal of Iran deal - Efforts to remove US from middle east - Prison reform - Drug price transparency - "Drain the swamp" / exposure of the "deep state" / revelation that this concept is real and simple: the natural bias that occurs within government when there is a 90%/10% political imbalance. (Currently 90% democrat/10% republican.) This manifests as things like the Mueller report: based on a lie, started by hostile government actors, causes a shit-ton of political casualties who would not even be considered if they were on the other side, wastes everybody's time and money. And it is only possible for it to happen one way: against Republicans. This is transparent and obvious. - 5 year foreign lobbying ban - Repeal and replace Obamacare. (As an anecdote, my mom said that out of the whole 8 years of Obama as president, the only thing that really changed for her is that she paid more for insurance while receiving less, a direct result of Obamacare.) - Support the vets / VA - Space Force - Supreme court justice - Protection of religious expression in schools - "Fuck you" to liberal elites [1] [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDL3Yjl31K8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDL3Yjl31K8
- cyorir 7y ago
  > Edit: at least point out why you're downvoting me, this is a straightforward answer to the question. > which for me is a litmus test as to whether you are a "crazy leftist" Implying that those who disagree with you are "crazy leftists" might be one reason for a downvote, for a start.
  - pacoWebConsult 7y ago
    That's a bad faith response. He literally said if you believe it's a honest-to-god muslim ban he will categorize you as a 'crazy leftist', not if you disagree with him about whether or not it is good or bad. It is objectively not a muslim ban as anyone from those countries was barred, and the demographics of the countries don't automatically make it a muslim ban or imply any malfeasance by the president.

mensetmanusman 7y ago

Most of my family was so nihilistic after the press called Romney a nazi for transporting their dogs on top of their vehicles that they were happy to do whatever made the press mad. At first the press only talked about Trump to ignore real republican thought, then it became a reinforcing cycle as people bought into the despair.