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The power button for my commentary or the power button for exclusionary immigration policy?

by ipnon 7y ago

tengbretson 7y ago
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- ipnon 7y ago
  If you are interested in a reasonable and effective proposal to this problem I recommend you read chapter 3 of Radical Markets by Posner and Weyl. They propose that every citizen be able to sponsor a migrant themselves.
  - fuzzfactor 7y ago
    Interesting concept. Food for thought. In the 18th century before American states were united, it was not a democracy at all but it was still considered a _free_ country because ordinary servants and indigents were encouraged to settle in the colonies where they could realistically aspire to property ownership for their descendants, and maybe even themselves, in ways that would never be possible in the Old World where everything was already spoken for generations before they came along. One reason it was called a New World. Back then they had a different way of approaching a similar concept in one of the southern states, among cultures where slavery had an unbroken legacy since before ancient Roman times. By this point bondage was just beginning to gain a foothold on agricultural plantations because great returns can be made when they scale unpaid hard labor. Only to eventually escalate later to more greedy & cruel things which we know citizens had not seen before on this continent. But plantations were not yet very large or numerous, and common Londoners were being tempted to sail the sea and start a new life as a colonist, where an industrious laborer or farmer could become a homesteader and _expect to be able to own a Negro within seven years_. And they showed the math in pounds & shillings.
  - selimthegrim 7y ago
    This went over like a lead balloon on Twitter.
- Nasrudith 7y ago
  And what about the worker's agency? They may not have control over the conditions of their origins but they chose to work abroad. It may not be a choice you would make but they did. Overriding the choices of those from poorer countries because the more developed ones "know better" has a rather ugly history regardless of how sincere their intentions were.

The power button for my commentary or the power button for exclusionary immigration policy?

by ipnon 7y ago

The power button for my commentary or the power button for exclusionary immigration policy?

tengbretson 7y ago

ipnon 7y ago
If you are interested in a reasonable and effective proposal to this problem I recommend you read chapter 3 of Radical Markets by Posner and Weyl. They propose that every citizen be able to sponsor a migrant themselves.
- fuzzfactor 7y ago
  Interesting concept. Food for thought. In the 18th century before American states were united, it was not a democracy at all but it was still considered a _free_ country because ordinary servants and indigents were encouraged to settle in the colonies where they could realistically aspire to property ownership for their descendants, and maybe even themselves, in ways that would never be possible in the Old World where everything was already spoken for generations before they came along. One reason it was called a New World. Back then they had a different way of approaching a similar concept in one of the southern states, among cultures where slavery had an unbroken legacy since before ancient Roman times. By this point bondage was just beginning to gain a foothold on agricultural plantations because great returns can be made when they scale unpaid hard labor. Only to eventually escalate later to more greedy & cruel things which we know citizens had not seen before on this continent. But plantations were not yet very large or numerous, and common Londoners were being tempted to sail the sea and start a new life as a colonist, where an industrious laborer or farmer could become a homesteader and _expect to be able to own a Negro within seven years_. And they showed the math in pounds & shillings.
- selimthegrim 7y ago
  This went over like a lead balloon on Twitter.
Nasrudith 7y ago
And what about the worker's agency? They may not have control over the conditions of their origins but they chose to work abroad. It may not be a choice you would make but they did. Overriding the choices of those from poorer countries because the more developed ones "know better" has a rather ugly history regardless of how sincere their intentions were.