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About these ISAs: do they require any kind of good faith effort to find a tech job after completing the boot camp? If someone was just interested in tech, but w

by nkrisc 7y ago

About these ISAs: do they require any kind of good faith effort to find a tech job after completing the boot camp? If someone was just interested in tech, but worked in an unrelated field with no intention to switch, how would Lambda protect themselves? Obviously they could probably sue if there was bad faith on the student's part, but do these agreements address this scenario? Do they focus on screening students to avoid this?

hundt 7y ago
My understanding is that Lambda school is very focused on teaching you what you need to get a job, so if you were just "interested in tech" you would probably be better served by Udacity, other free or nearly-free online courses, or just reading books.
- nkrisc 7y ago
  Right, there are certainly better options. I'm not necessarily interested from a practical standpoint, more of a theoretical one, being relatively unfamiliar with how these agreements work beyond a one-sentence description.
  - hundt 7y ago
    You can read what Lambda School describes as the "template" for their ISA contracts: https://leif.org/api/products/5b5b8bd0e59b743f9a086ed9/pdf https://leif.org/api/products/5b5b8bd0e59b743f9a086ed9/pdf It says that you agree that you "are entering into this Agreement in good faith and with the intention to pay us" and will "make reasonable and good faith efforts to seek employment" as long as you are not paying them. I don't see any specific provisions describing how that would be enforced and I bet in practice it is not a major issue for the reason I mentioned above: there isn't much reason to go through with Lambda School if you don't actually want a job in tech, so it probably doesn't happen much.
calderarrow 7y ago
I was one of the first 10 cohorts to go through Lambda and it wasn't a requirement for me. Actually, this was one of the primary reasons why I chose them! I was coming from public accounting, and I was concerned I may have to take a pay cut to switch into tech, but reading the contract at the time was very clear that I wasn't obligated to pursue a career in tech -- I wasn't even obligated to accept any tech offers I received! It was total financial and career freedom. If I went through and wanted to stay as an accountant, I could walk away owing nothing. The Lambda model is set up to operate at scale -- and teaching people who don't want to get a career in tech or change their mind is baked into their operational model.

by nkrisc 7y ago

hundt 7y ago

My understanding is that Lambda school is very focused on teaching you what you need to get a job, so if you were just "interested in tech" you would probably be better served by Udacity, other free or nearly-free online courses, or just reading books.

nkrisc 7y ago
Right, there are certainly better options. I'm not necessarily interested from a practical standpoint, more of a theoretical one, being relatively unfamiliar with how these agreements work beyond a one-sentence description.
- hundt 7y ago
  You can read what Lambda School describes as the "template" for their ISA contracts: https://leif.org/api/products/5b5b8bd0e59b743f9a086ed9/pdf https://leif.org/api/products/5b5b8bd0e59b743f9a086ed9/pdf It says that you agree that you "are entering into this Agreement in good faith and with the intention to pay us" and will "make reasonable and good faith efforts to seek employment" as long as you are not paying them. I don't see any specific provisions describing how that would be enforced and I bet in practice it is not a major issue for the reason I mentioned above: there isn't much reason to go through with Lambda School if you don't actually want a job in tech, so it probably doesn't happen much.

calderarrow 7y ago

I was one of the first 10 cohorts to go through Lambda and it wasn't a requirement for me. Actually, this was one of the primary reasons why I chose them! I was coming from public accounting, and I was concerned I may have to take a pay cut to switch into tech, but reading the contract at the time was very clear that I wasn't obligated to pursue a career in tech -- I wasn't even obligated to accept any tech offers I received! It was total financial and career freedom. If I went through and wanted to stay as an accountant, I could walk away owing nothing. The Lambda model is set up to operate at scale -- and teaching people who don't want to get a career in tech or change their mind is baked into their operational model.