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Dogs apparently have a visual sample rate of around 75Hz, meaning they wouldn't see much in an old analog TV, but newer HDTVs might look realistic to them. htt

Dogs apparently have a visual sample rate of around 75Hz, meaning they wouldn't see much in an old analog TV, but newer HDTVs might look realistic to them. https://thebark.com/content/heres-what-dogs-see-when-they-watch-television https://thebark.com/content/heres-what-dogs-see-when-they-wa...

berdon 7y ago
Our two dogs watch our 4k TV often. And bark at various things, actors, subjects they don't like.
- Topgamer7 7y ago
  Had a dog that would press her nose right up to an ipad screen and move her face around to follow the squirrel, bird, or dog that interested her. She would get very excited about it. She also watched TV. At one point sitting on hind legs trying to elevate off the bed to be inline with the center of the image.
- bradstewart 7y ago
  Only one of my dogs appears to recognize things in the TV. She'll bark at something on screen, and my other dog will run to a window or door trying to figure what he missed. Always wondered why...
joshspankit 7y ago
I’m very suspicious of this 75Hz number. We’ve also heard that 60Hz is the limit of human perception but I think we all know now that we actually perceive higher than that (seeing flicker at 120Hz, blind A/B testing of 240Hz monitors, even perceptual flickering for some people in 1000Hz PWM LEDs). Even if that 75Hz number were derived from deep understanding and measurement of the entire visual pathway, there are variations in perception for people, there most likely are for dogs as well.
- waiquoo 7y ago
  60Hz is the 'flicker fusion rate', meaning if you were changing the frequency of a flashing, stationary LED, ~60Hz would be the frequency where perception transitions from visibly flickering to apparently continuous. It's a lower threshold for refresh rate in the human eye. When you have complex refreshing images (a 2d computer screen rather than a point-like LED, diverse motion, depth, etc), you are likely to notice flickering (or tearing, jittering, non-smooth motion) if the refresh rate is near this minimum.
  - barrkel 7y ago
    People routinely watch movies which refresh at 24Hz and motion is apparently continuous. Perceiving flicker has a higher threshold. I can perceive 60Hz flicker in my peripheral vision easily enough. Other sources online (you can find lots of them but I didn't see an obvious authoritative article) suggest that 16Hz is the flicker fusion rate for motion in humans. Flicker fusion for continuous brightness (CFF) is somewhere around 30Hz per https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-15034-z https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-15034-z and it rises with brightness - this paper is about testing how it changes in different circumstances.
    - svachalek 7y ago
      Unless the camera moves fast and then it looks like a slideshow. Whenever they pan across a landscape it makes me grit my teeth.
      - mdpye 7y ago
        This is often exacerbated horribly by the fact that the 50 or 60 FPS output doesn't divide well by the 24 FPS source material. It was smoother in the cinema, when it was projected at 24 FPS...
        joshspankit 7y ago
        Fair point, but I (and many others) see stutter in theatre as well. Most of the reason you don’t is because filmmakers know very well what their “maximum pan speed” is and they stay as far away from it as possible.
brutt 7y ago
Yep. See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-p747h4HKw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-p747h4HKw for example.
Someone 7y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flicker_fusion_threshold https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flicker_fusion_threshold. Classical 50/60Hz lighting looks like a stroboscope to chickens. There is a whole field of research on the effect of light regimes, light color and flicker on poultry farming efficiency. I couldn’t find a scientific link, but see https://agrilight.nl/lichtadvies/pluimvee/?lang=en&-en https://agrilight.nl/lichtadvies/pluimvee/?lang=en&-en

berdon 7y ago

Our two dogs watch our 4k TV often. And bark at various things, actors, subjects they don't like.

Topgamer7 7y ago
Had a dog that would press her nose right up to an ipad screen and move her face around to follow the squirrel, bird, or dog that interested her. She would get very excited about it. She also watched TV. At one point sitting on hind legs trying to elevate off the bed to be inline with the center of the image.
bradstewart 7y ago
Only one of my dogs appears to recognize things in the TV. She'll bark at something on screen, and my other dog will run to a window or door trying to figure what he missed. Always wondered why...

joshspankit 7y ago

I’m very suspicious of this 75Hz number. We’ve also heard that 60Hz is the limit of human perception but I think we all know now that we actually perceive higher than that (seeing flicker at 120Hz, blind A/B testing of 240Hz monitors, even perceptual flickering for some people in 1000Hz PWM LEDs). Even if that 75Hz number were derived from deep understanding and measurement of the entire visual pathway, there are variations in perception for people, there most likely are for dogs as well.

waiquoo 7y ago
60Hz is the 'flicker fusion rate', meaning if you were changing the frequency of a flashing, stationary LED, ~60Hz would be the frequency where perception transitions from visibly flickering to apparently continuous. It's a lower threshold for refresh rate in the human eye. When you have complex refreshing images (a 2d computer screen rather than a point-like LED, diverse motion, depth, etc), you are likely to notice flickering (or tearing, jittering, non-smooth motion) if the refresh rate is near this minimum.
- barrkel 7y ago
  People routinely watch movies which refresh at 24Hz and motion is apparently continuous. Perceiving flicker has a higher threshold. I can perceive 60Hz flicker in my peripheral vision easily enough. Other sources online (you can find lots of them but I didn't see an obvious authoritative article) suggest that 16Hz is the flicker fusion rate for motion in humans. Flicker fusion for continuous brightness (CFF) is somewhere around 30Hz per https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-15034-z https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-15034-z and it rises with brightness - this paper is about testing how it changes in different circumstances.
  - svachalek 7y ago
    Unless the camera moves fast and then it looks like a slideshow. Whenever they pan across a landscape it makes me grit my teeth.
    - mdpye 7y ago
      This is often exacerbated horribly by the fact that the 50 or 60 FPS output doesn't divide well by the 24 FPS source material. It was smoother in the cinema, when it was projected at 24 FPS...
      - joshspankit 7y ago
        Fair point, but I (and many others) see stutter in theatre as well. Most of the reason you don’t is because filmmakers know very well what their “maximum pan speed” is and they stay as far away from it as possible.

brutt 7y ago

Yep. See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-p747h4HKw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-p747h4HKw for example.

Someone 7y ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flicker_fusion_threshold https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flicker_fusion_threshold. Classical 50/60Hz lighting looks like a stroboscope to chickens. There is a whole field of research on the effect of light regimes, light color and flicker on poultry farming efficiency. I couldn’t find a scientific link, but see https://agrilight.nl/lichtadvies/pluimvee/?lang=en&-en https://agrilight.nl/lichtadvies/pluimvee/?lang=en&-en