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Hacker News spends half its time making fun of moral panics and half its time participating in them. Who cares if people want to have plastic surgery or injecta

by v77 7y ago

Hacker News spends half its time making fun of moral panics and half its time participating in them. Who cares if people want to have plastic surgery or injectable treatments?

jakemal 7y ago
I don't think surgical enhancements are inherently bad, but if the reason they are getting them is because social media is having a negative impact on people's self-esteem then I think that's worthy of discussion.
- amoitnga 7y ago
  Alcohol is bad for you. Pot is probably bad for you (I don't really know) Feel free to not use any of it. I noticed when social media started to have an impact on how I feel, so I almost stopped using facebook - It's difficult to ditch it altogether because sometimes I need access to dev panel. I unfollowed everyone on Instagram who is not my immediate friend, anyone whose posts are obviously fake nonsense and not genuine moments. I need these to stay in touch with my old friends, see what's happening in their life. I don't need this to see where some C@#$@ drinks their cosmo today.
BlargMcLarg 7y ago
I care because I don't want everything to turn into a race to the bottom with the little gremlin on the side laughing as he continues to sell tools for a premium, yet some groups seem to be hell-bent on getting people in this rat race and ostracizing the people who won't conform.
- exergy 7y ago
  I wouldn't care as much if it didn't constantly become harder and harder to find other like-minded people. People don't seem to enjoy not having their phones out, not photographing everything, not optimising relentlessly. The world of today is wearisome.
- big_chungus 7y ago
  Would you please clarify your meaning? I seem to be missing a lot of context. Race to the bottom of what? Selling tools to do what? People who won't conform to what?
  - BlargMcLarg 7y ago
    Easiest way to clarify is through an example. Disclaimer: it might be a poor one. That same thing is already happen with plastic surgery in South Korea. You can opt not to do it, but especially as a girl, you're giving yourself a disadvantage. Watch a few generations go by and poof, suddenly its the new standard. Now what became a disadvantage might as well be what takes you out of the race unless you take the plastic surgery route anyway. Meanwhile, the only people who benefit from this are the ones at the top of the race, and the companies performing the surgeries. It might go so far that the people who don't have plastic surgery become ostracized for looking weird. A similar thing happens in many forms of sports. Somewhere along the line, it became much easier to create and use steroids, and steroids have already shown to have an insane effect without any training necessary. Steroids are an odd example as they are proven to potentially be harmful, but realistically, how are you going to compete against someone using steroids and training the same amount, without taking steroids? Doping in cycling might be the best example: many of these substances can make cyclists endure for much longer, so either everyone needs to take them for it to balance out the playing field, or no one does. You can't say "its up to you", as there's no way you'll be able to compete against someone with a similar amount of training, but juiced up. A ace to the bottom here would be to allow doping, and subsequently, and new drug that would eventually come up. And some people, like myself, would rather not have such somewhat intrusive operations become the new norm.
    - big_chungus 7y ago
      > And some people, like myself, would rather not have such somewhat intrusive operations become the new norm. 100% agree. People can do what they want to their own bodies, but I think it's a foolish idea. I can't offer you an easy solution, as there really isn't one. Sports are "gated areas" with committees overseeing entrance conditions. People agree to these rules to play. Not so for surgery; the only option would be to ban it which would be unconstitutional, impractical, and a staggering government overreach. However, you might be interested in reading more about positional arms races (the economic term for what you're describing). College is a good example: enough people try to set themselves apart by getting a degree that the degree becomes the expectation, becoming an additional cost that no longer provides any benefit. https://econpapers.repec.org/paper/wilwilehe/54.htm https://econpapers.repec.org/paper/wilwilehe/54.htm
clSTophEjUdRanu 7y ago
Julian Assange and Snowden are heroes and Patriots! Gotta run, have an interview at Facebook. Wish me luck! /s
tyrust 7y ago
>Hacker News spends half its time making fun of moral panics and half its time participating in them. HN isn't one person, so this is a good thing.

by v77 7y ago

Hacker News spends half its time making fun of moral panics and half its time participating in them. Who cares if people want to have plastic surgery or injectable treatments?

jakemal 7y ago

I don't think surgical enhancements are inherently bad, but if the reason they are getting them is because social media is having a negative impact on people's self-esteem then I think that's worthy of discussion.

amoitnga 7y ago
Alcohol is bad for you. Pot is probably bad for you (I don't really know) Feel free to not use any of it. I noticed when social media started to have an impact on how I feel, so I almost stopped using facebook - It's difficult to ditch it altogether because sometimes I need access to dev panel. I unfollowed everyone on Instagram who is not my immediate friend, anyone whose posts are obviously fake nonsense and not genuine moments. I need these to stay in touch with my old friends, see what's happening in their life. I don't need this to see where some C@#$@ drinks their cosmo today.

BlargMcLarg 7y ago

I care because I don't want everything to turn into a race to the bottom with the little gremlin on the side laughing as he continues to sell tools for a premium, yet some groups seem to be hell-bent on getting people in this rat race and ostracizing the people who won't conform.

exergy 7y ago
I wouldn't care as much if it didn't constantly become harder and harder to find other like-minded people. People don't seem to enjoy not having their phones out, not photographing everything, not optimising relentlessly. The world of today is wearisome.
big_chungus 7y ago
Would you please clarify your meaning? I seem to be missing a lot of context. Race to the bottom of what? Selling tools to do what? People who won't conform to what?
- BlargMcLarg 7y ago
  Easiest way to clarify is through an example. Disclaimer: it might be a poor one. That same thing is already happen with plastic surgery in South Korea. You can opt not to do it, but especially as a girl, you're giving yourself a disadvantage. Watch a few generations go by and poof, suddenly its the new standard. Now what became a disadvantage might as well be what takes you out of the race unless you take the plastic surgery route anyway. Meanwhile, the only people who benefit from this are the ones at the top of the race, and the companies performing the surgeries. It might go so far that the people who don't have plastic surgery become ostracized for looking weird. A similar thing happens in many forms of sports. Somewhere along the line, it became much easier to create and use steroids, and steroids have already shown to have an insane effect without any training necessary. Steroids are an odd example as they are proven to potentially be harmful, but realistically, how are you going to compete against someone using steroids and training the same amount, without taking steroids? Doping in cycling might be the best example: many of these substances can make cyclists endure for much longer, so either everyone needs to take them for it to balance out the playing field, or no one does. You can't say "its up to you", as there's no way you'll be able to compete against someone with a similar amount of training, but juiced up. A ace to the bottom here would be to allow doping, and subsequently, and new drug that would eventually come up. And some people, like myself, would rather not have such somewhat intrusive operations become the new norm.
  - big_chungus 7y ago
    > And some people, like myself, would rather not have such somewhat intrusive operations become the new norm. 100% agree. People can do what they want to their own bodies, but I think it's a foolish idea. I can't offer you an easy solution, as there really isn't one. Sports are "gated areas" with committees overseeing entrance conditions. People agree to these rules to play. Not so for surgery; the only option would be to ban it which would be unconstitutional, impractical, and a staggering government overreach. However, you might be interested in reading more about positional arms races (the economic term for what you're describing). College is a good example: enough people try to set themselves apart by getting a degree that the degree becomes the expectation, becoming an additional cost that no longer provides any benefit. https://econpapers.repec.org/paper/wilwilehe/54.htm https://econpapers.repec.org/paper/wilwilehe/54.htm

clSTophEjUdRanu 7y ago

Julian Assange and Snowden are heroes and Patriots! Gotta run, have an interview at Facebook. Wish me luck! /s

tyrust 7y ago

>Hacker News spends half its time making fun of moral panics and half its time participating in them. HN isn't one person, so this is a good thing.