Re-reading my post, I noticed that someone could say this: "the only hackers who need Java are the ones who cannot exist without a lot of predefined structure"

Re-reading my post, I noticed that someone could say this: "the only hackers who need Java are the ones who cannot exist without a lot of predefined structure" about Rails as well. The difference is that Rails does not force structure on you. It just makes it super-convenient to use it. Java, in my experience, seems more heavy-handed.