> Nearly all ribbon buttons have labels. A lot of the stuff does but not all of the stuff, as the first image in the document we're discussing illustrates: ht

> Nearly all ribbon buttons have labels. A lot of the stuff does but not all of the stuff, as the first image in the document we're discussing illustrates: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/uxguide/images/cmd-ribbons-image1.png https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/uxguide/image... ...and the stuff that does have labels isn't ordered as systematically as a list. This might not matter to you but for some people, eg those with a particular type of dyslexia, having a UI that feels a little "jumbled up" genuinely does make it significantly harder to quickly glance through a list of items than reading through a menu where everything is stacked. (before you object to me calling the ribbon bar "jumbled up", I do understand the logic of how frequent tasks are bigger icons etc. I agree there is a hell of a lot of thought and research gone into the ordering and positioning on the ribbon bar. But for quick glancing when searching for irregular tasks it can superficially appear less ordered than a menu does and that made it much harder for me to find things) > The only buttons that don't have labels are well-known ones, all of which I think are on the Home tab. ...and what if you don't happen to know those items well? As I said before, the "one size fits all" approach of the ribbon bar hurts those in the edge cases. > The ribbon (at least in Office) is far more customisable than traditional menubar+toolbars That's not even remotely true. Every aspect of the toolbar and menus was customizable. The same isn't true for the ribbon bar. > Every part of the ribbon can be customised Either this is a later development or you're overstating things significantly because I assure you I could not customize much of Word's (nor Excel IIRC) ribbon bar when it was introduced (2007). Believe me, I had tried. At the time I used to write pluggins for Word, Outlook (which didn't yet have the ribbon, that came with a later release of MS Office) and Excel so I definitely wasn't not some 'n00b' who couldn't work his way around the advanced features of an office suite. Sure you could create new tabs and customize those but you were severely limited in just how much you could alter existing tabs. > I don't know why you dis-like the ribbon, because none of your arguments make sense. That's needlessly antagonistic and completely unhelpful.