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> On another note, this is going to suck for "low-skilled" brits who want to move around the EU as I assume EU put some symmetry to this. Well, that's sort of

> On another note, this is going to suck for "low-skilled" brits who want to move around the EU as I assume EU put some symmetry to this. Well, that's sort of the point; keep the brits in Britain, get them to fill in the gaps in the job market there (like nursing and teaching, etc) instead of leaving the country. Also, by limiting the supply of workers, you might drive up the pay in those sectors as well. This all makes sense in theory; drive British people into sectors in need of workers by limiting choices, and remove foreign labor from those sectors to make room. The hope is better jobs for British people, wages stay in the country increasing tax income and money in circulation, and possibly resulting in higher salaries (because salaries were held down by the willingness of foreign workers to accept lower income than locals... at least in theory). What they haven't talked about however is that in a free market this should drive up the salaries of nurses and teachers, but the govt. refuses to add additional funding to those sectors, so unless they do something the NHS and the education system will basically implode over the next 10 years.

davidgould 7y ago
> the NHS and the education system will basically implode over the next 10 years Feature, not bug.
- me_me_me 7y ago
  This is a long term patter, tories are de-funding NHS call it old and inefficient in a bid to convert it to "widely adopted and universally loved US style healthcare system". It feels like living in a Kafkaesque reality where people vote for people who are there to primary f them up. And then those people cheer them up.
- barry-cotter 7y ago
  The UK primary and secondary education system have been among the worst to be a teacher in among developed Anglophone countries for decades, under Labour and Tory governments. Roughly 50% of England and Wales qualified teachers don't teach because it's an awful job. That's not a Tory thing, that's an English thing, or a British thing if Scotland is as bad.
thu2111 7y ago
the govt. refuses to add additional funding to those sectors This isn't true. It's really quite astonishing how often I see this claim being made and it's simply fake news, deception, whatever you want to call it. Here is a graph of NHS funding: https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/projects/nhs-in-a-nutshell/nhs-budget https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/projects/nhs-in-a-nutshell/nhs-... As you can see, it goes up reliably every year. That isn't "refusing to add additional funding". In fact here they are, saying funding will continue to rise: In July 2018, the NHS was given a new five-year funding deal that will see some health spending rise by 3.4 per cent on average from 2019/20 to 2023/24 and In the September 2019 Spending Round, the government announced further increases to budgets for capital investment, public health and the education and training of the NHS workforce NHS funding only ever goes up. Now, I know where this conversation goes. I've seen it many times. Someone replies and says, ohhhh, we don't mean literally they refuse to add additional funding. What we mean is we think they haven't been adding enough. But that is a very different claim, which is why people start out by claiming something false. Especially in politics, precision matters.

davidgould 7y ago

> the NHS and the education system will basically implode over the next 10 years Feature, not bug.

me_me_me 7y ago
This is a long term patter, tories are de-funding NHS call it old and inefficient in a bid to convert it to "widely adopted and universally loved US style healthcare system". It feels like living in a Kafkaesque reality where people vote for people who are there to primary f them up. And then those people cheer them up.
barry-cotter 7y ago
The UK primary and secondary education system have been among the worst to be a teacher in among developed Anglophone countries for decades, under Labour and Tory governments. Roughly 50% of England and Wales qualified teachers don't teach because it's an awful job. That's not a Tory thing, that's an English thing, or a British thing if Scotland is as bad.

thu2111 7y ago

the govt. refuses to add additional funding to those sectors This isn't true. It's really quite astonishing how often I see this claim being made and it's simply fake news, deception, whatever you want to call it. Here is a graph of NHS funding: https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/projects/nhs-in-a-nutshell/nhs-budget https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/projects/nhs-in-a-nutshell/nhs-... As you can see, it goes up reliably every year. That isn't "refusing to add additional funding". In fact here they are, saying funding will continue to rise: In July 2018, the NHS was given a new five-year funding deal that will see some health spending rise by 3.4 per cent on average from 2019/20 to 2023/24 and In the September 2019 Spending Round, the government announced further increases to budgets for capital investment, public health and the education and training of the NHS workforce NHS funding only ever goes up. Now, I know where this conversation goes. I've seen it many times. Someone replies and says, ohhhh, we don't mean literally they refuse to add additional funding. What we mean is we think they haven't been adding enough. But that is a very different claim, which is why people start out by claiming something false. Especially in politics, precision matters.