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OK, I have two questions: 1. What country do you live in now? 2. Don't you find it hypocritical to bash Germany for allowing immigrants in, while you yourself

OK, I have two questions: 1. What country do you live in now? 2. Don't you find it hypocritical to bash Germany for allowing immigrants in, while you yourself have benefited from immigration, being an immigrant and all?

lawnchair_larry 7y ago
It’s not really immigration that people like the parent have a problem with. It’s cultural displacement. Presumably their new country is culturally compatible. Of course it’s not woke to talk about this, but very few people can practice what they preach when it happens at scale. Most folks that downvoted the parent and cry racism would be fine if a handful of ethnic minorities moved in to their neighborhood. But if they filled the entire neighborhood, and they were the last remaining white American family there, I guarantee they would instantly turn hypocritical and leave 99.9% of the time. Everyone has a threshold at which they no longer relate to or feel a connection with their community, and many people need that connection. That’s also why immigrants tend to form communities in their new country. It’s possible to feel this way without being racist.
- cmdshiftf4 7y ago
  Know your audience, marta_morena and lawnchair_larry. HN is predominantly American tech workers, from which we can deduce: - Those who hold citizenship and can vote are statistically very left-leaning - Many of them are new migrants themselves, with ~75% of those in the SF tech industry being 1st generation H1B holders - Most either fled the dominant culture in their home country, or being born in the US haven't been exposed to a historically dominant culture and identity The capacity for understanding and empathizing with what many in Europe are now experiencing is therefore low to non-existent, or may indeed be met with a level of resentment.
okr 7y ago
Probably hypocritical. But she wants to feel like a welcomed immigrant, because at her native home she does not feel 'welcome'. I do not know if it is true or not, butit seems legit to go there, where people want you.
dominotw 7y ago
re: 2 its not hypocritical because him going to another white country woudln't be "mix"ing which is what his complaint is.
biscotti 7y ago
It is not hypocritical at all if the OP intends to fully mix and integrate. Germany has a large Turkish demographic that the governing class is intent on expanding on that does not mix nor integrate, even after 2 or 3 generations. This culture encourages their women to procreate at a young age, denies them their own agency and forces them to subside on benefits. The same is true in the UK with Pakistanis / Bangladeshis, with more than half receiving state support [1]. I'm not sure if Germany has towns like Bradford [2] or Luton but I'd wager this was the deciding factor why the Brits voted out, given that the majority of refugees during the crisis were from Islamic countries. Current trends will see Britons in the minority by 2066 [3]. I was in Berlin not too long ago, and as myself and a few coworkers returned from lunch near Spandau, a middle aged woman in full dress stopped in the middle of the road and dramatically traced a line along her neck whilst staring directly at the four of us. Not the behavior I would expect from someone grateful to find themselves in the country of another. I have no idea why Western countries have persued this policy, or allowed the funding of mosques by foreign actors. I know in the UK there was a scandal that suggested that the Labour party might have done so to increase their voting base [4], but with the spousal rights that immigration brings it's been extremely difficult to get a handle on ever since. In the case of Germany, since infinite growth is impossible, will the loss of societal cohesion in persuit of GDP alone prove worth it? Peter Thiel predicts the future of Europe is to either islamicize or become surveillance states [5]. For an example of how this might play out over the long term, Lebanon used to be a Christian majority country until it accepted a large influx of muslim refugees. The place has been a smoking ruin ever since, with Islamic culture imposed and Christians fleeing a nation created specifically for them by the French. Sadly the west in it's infinite wisdom decided to subsequently destroy the one country that might have provided a natural refuge for these people [6]. [1] https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/work-pay-and-benefits/benefits/state-support/latest https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/work-pay-... [2] https://datashine.org.uk/#table=QS201EW&col=QS201EW0011&ramp=YlOrRd&layers=BTTT&zoom=12.739999999999998&lon=-1.7451&lat=53.7942 https://datashine.org.uk/#table=QS201EW&col=QS201EW0011&ramp... [3] https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/8142176/White-Britons-to-become-minority-by-2066.html https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/8142176/... [4] https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/6418456/Labour-wanted-mass-immigration-to-make-UK-more-multicultural-says-former-adviser.html https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/641845... [5] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRleB034EC8&t=38m51s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRleB034EC8&t=38m51s [6] https://www.wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/1976BEIRUT02937_b.html https://www.wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/1976BEIRUT02937_b.htm...

lawnchair_larry 7y ago

It’s not really immigration that people like the parent have a problem with. It’s cultural displacement. Presumably their new country is culturally compatible. Of course it’s not woke to talk about this, but very few people can practice what they preach when it happens at scale. Most folks that downvoted the parent and cry racism would be fine if a handful of ethnic minorities moved in to their neighborhood. But if they filled the entire neighborhood, and they were the last remaining white American family there, I guarantee they would instantly turn hypocritical and leave 99.9% of the time. Everyone has a threshold at which they no longer relate to or feel a connection with their community, and many people need that connection. That’s also why immigrants tend to form communities in their new country. It’s possible to feel this way without being racist.

cmdshiftf4 7y ago
Know your audience, marta_morena and lawnchair_larry. HN is predominantly American tech workers, from which we can deduce: - Those who hold citizenship and can vote are statistically very left-leaning - Many of them are new migrants themselves, with ~75% of those in the SF tech industry being 1st generation H1B holders - Most either fled the dominant culture in their home country, or being born in the US haven't been exposed to a historically dominant culture and identity The capacity for understanding and empathizing with what many in Europe are now experiencing is therefore low to non-existent, or may indeed be met with a level of resentment.

okr 7y ago

Probably hypocritical. But she wants to feel like a welcomed immigrant, because at her native home she does not feel 'welcome'. I do not know if it is true or not, butit seems legit to go there, where people want you.

dominotw 7y ago

re: 2 its not hypocritical because him going to another white country woudln't be "mix"ing which is what his complaint is.

biscotti 7y ago

It is not hypocritical at all if the OP intends to fully mix and integrate. Germany has a large Turkish demographic that the governing class is intent on expanding on that does not mix nor integrate, even after 2 or 3 generations. This culture encourages their women to procreate at a young age, denies them their own agency and forces them to subside on benefits. The same is true in the UK with Pakistanis / Bangladeshis, with more than half receiving state support [1]. I'm not sure if Germany has towns like Bradford [2] or Luton but I'd wager this was the deciding factor why the Brits voted out, given that the majority of refugees during the crisis were from Islamic countries. Current trends will see Britons in the minority by 2066 [3]. I was in Berlin not too long ago, and as myself and a few coworkers returned from lunch near Spandau, a middle aged woman in full dress stopped in the middle of the road and dramatically traced a line along her neck whilst staring directly at the four of us. Not the behavior I would expect from someone grateful to find themselves in the country of another. I have no idea why Western countries have persued this policy, or allowed the funding of mosques by foreign actors. I know in the UK there was a scandal that suggested that the Labour party might have done so to increase their voting base [4], but with the spousal rights that immigration brings it's been extremely difficult to get a handle on ever since. In the case of Germany, since infinite growth is impossible, will the loss of societal cohesion in persuit of GDP alone prove worth it? Peter Thiel predicts the future of Europe is to either islamicize or become surveillance states [5]. For an example of how this might play out over the long term, Lebanon used to be a Christian majority country until it accepted a large influx of muslim refugees. The place has been a smoking ruin ever since, with Islamic culture imposed and Christians fleeing a nation created specifically for them by the French. Sadly the west in it's infinite wisdom decided to subsequently destroy the one country that might have provided a natural refuge for these people [6]. [1] https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/work-pay-and-benefits/benefits/state-support/latest https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/work-pay-... [2] https://datashine.org.uk/#table=QS201EW&col=QS201EW0011&ramp=YlOrRd&layers=BTTT&zoom=12.739999999999998&lon=-1.7451&lat=53.7942 https://datashine.org.uk/#table=QS201EW&col=QS201EW0011&ramp... [3] https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/8142176/White-Britons-to-become-minority-by-2066.html https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/8142176/... [4] https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/6418456/Labour-wanted-mass-immigration-to-make-UK-more-multicultural-says-former-adviser.html https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/641845... [5] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRleB034EC8&t=38m51s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRleB034EC8&t=38m51s [6] https://www.wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/1976BEIRUT02937_b.html https://www.wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/1976BEIRUT02937_b.htm...