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Of course, the tier 2 system is already set up like this. The whole "points-based" talking point was always a canard. There's not a meaningful change (yet)

by nimish 7y ago

jariel 7y ago
The points-based system is not a 'canard' and this is not a 'two-tiered system'. It's actually what it says it is: a 'points-based system' which is the modus operandi for most nations that have had reforms in recent history. Any nation that had to invent its migration scheme from scratch in 2020 would end up probably with something resembling this. In a mess of negotiations and unknowns during Brexit, this is actually one of the least surprising, predictable outcomes.
- nimish 7y ago
  It’s a canard because it’s already been in place for over a decade and has had middling results. It’s still a pain in the arse to hire someone ex-eu with skills and the tier 1 HSMP path was closed (so you need a job offer). Anyone with actual experience with the home office and British immigration since the coalition knows that the “points based” slogan was hollow. It’s not like you trade away the job offer requirement!
  - jariel 7y ago
    You haven't in any way demonstrated how it's 'a canard'. It's been partially implemented, but 1/2 of migrants previously from the EU and that's obviously going away, to be replaced with a full points system. "Here is the new migration policy ... which is based on a modern points systems that other nations have", which is fully what is expected. So where's the 'canard'?
    - nimish 7y ago
      The whole political point of the "points based system" was that the UK _hadn't_ implemented one and was behind the times, and this was a constant refrain of people who hadn't ever looked into what kind of system the UK actually employs. In fact, since at least 2009 it has had one for non-EU migrants -- to middling effect -- and the new PBS is not significantly different except that it now applies to EU migrants.

Of course, the tier 2 system is already set up like this. The whole "points-based" talking point was always a canard. There's not a meaningful change (yet)

by nimish 7y ago

Of course, the tier 2 system is already set up like this. The whole "points-based" talking point was always a canard. There's not a meaningful change (yet)

jariel 7y ago

The points-based system is not a 'canard' and this is not a 'two-tiered system'. It's actually what it says it is: a 'points-based system' which is the modus operandi for most nations that have had reforms in recent history. Any nation that had to invent its migration scheme from scratch in 2020 would end up probably with something resembling this. In a mess of negotiations and unknowns during Brexit, this is actually one of the least surprising, predictable outcomes.

nimish 7y ago
It’s a canard because it’s already been in place for over a decade and has had middling results. It’s still a pain in the arse to hire someone ex-eu with skills and the tier 1 HSMP path was closed (so you need a job offer). Anyone with actual experience with the home office and British immigration since the coalition knows that the “points based” slogan was hollow. It’s not like you trade away the job offer requirement!
- jariel 7y ago
  You haven't in any way demonstrated how it's 'a canard'. It's been partially implemented, but 1/2 of migrants previously from the EU and that's obviously going away, to be replaced with a full points system. "Here is the new migration policy ... which is based on a modern points systems that other nations have", which is fully what is expected. So where's the 'canard'?
  - nimish 7y ago
    The whole political point of the "points based system" was that the UK _hadn't_ implemented one and was behind the times, and this was a constant refrain of people who hadn't ever looked into what kind of system the UK actually employs. In fact, since at least 2009 it has had one for non-EU migrants -- to middling effect -- and the new PBS is not significantly different except that it now applies to EU migrants.