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Private Crop dusting pilots flying over cornfields in southern Nebraska aren’t flying over your buildings mate.

by dvtrn 7y ago

ATsch 7y ago
Private Crop dusing pilots aren't trying to hide themselves from the airplane maps, so this is irrelevant to the point.
- dvtrn 7y ago
  I would beg to differ and could probably accurately guess that several ag pilots I know would as well.
- tjohns 7y ago
  I'd say they're more likely to be hiding themselves from the map than your average commercial flight. Pilots of small aircraft are just as sensitive about giving up their privacy as anyone else. Would you want your name, address, and position broadcast on the internet every time you get in your car?
  - dvtrn 7y ago
    Not just sensitive about their privacy, but there is a particularly ornery set of opinions among rural pilots regarding the government “telling me how to tend my own farm” which I think is at the root of what we see at the surface as being “privacy concerns”. So when someone says these types of aviators aren’t trying to hide themselves I’m highly skeptical on just how well-versed the speaker is with the issues and perspectives this class people have with more and more expensive operating requirements being put on them with diminishing returns for their compliance. Then again, this perspective isn't in line with "rich moguls and their private personal jets" and represents a blue-collar voice that gets left out of discussions in this community with a frustrating frequency; so I'm really not surprised, either. Hell go talk to some ground-based truckers how they feel about having their routes tracked by logistics companies who book them for loads. There’s videos all over YouTube from long haul truckers complaining about faceless entities demanding they install tracking systems or download GPS enabled apps and the constant complaint is “don’t tell me how to drive my truck" These operators want autonomy.
HeWhoLurksLate 7y ago
Well put. I also don't want my location broadcast as I move around on foot, or in my car, so why would I want to be tracked in the air? And if you don't like being tracked, what makes you think that others want to be tracked all the time?
- ATsch 7y ago
  Do you own an personal aeroplane with ads-b transmitter? Do you think it's likely you're going to own one anytime soon? This isn't the private data of your neighbor. This is either data from corporations which, despite being people in some senses, don't have any privacy rights, or individuals so rich that what they're doing with planes that they really want to keep secret should be everyone's concern.
  - tjohns 7y ago
    I think you have an incorrect understanding of who owns planes. You'd be surprised how many of your neighbors own or rent aircraft at your local GA airport. It's not just something multi-millionaires do. In many cases it's cheaper than owning a Tesla.
    - dvtrn 7y ago
      Heck, one can buy a sport plane[0] for less than the MSRP of a brand new Honda. [0] http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/ch650/650-price.html http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/ch650/650-price.html
      - selectodude 7y ago
        A sport plane sans engine. An aircraft engine is like $30,000.
  - HeWhoLurksLate 7y ago
    ... I know of several people nearby (relatively speaking, same metropolitan-ish area) with pretty middle-class salaries and jobs who own airplanes- not jets or anything, just smaller prop planes (like itty bitty Cessna things) and a couple people with ultralights they can land in their (fairly spacious) backyards. Meh? As a passenger, I don't want to be tracked the way we do cattle. Maybe I'm missing the point here, but more tracking feels more invasive and more likely to lead to abuse of said information (information imbalances equate to power, too!) and I don't want any more of that than is absolutely positively unavoidable.

Private Crop dusting pilots flying over cornfields in southern Nebraska aren’t flying over your buildings mate.

by dvtrn 7y ago

Private Crop dusting pilots flying over cornfields in southern Nebraska aren’t flying over your buildings mate.

ATsch 7y ago

Private Crop dusing pilots aren't trying to hide themselves from the airplane maps, so this is irrelevant to the point.

dvtrn 7y ago
I would beg to differ and could probably accurately guess that several ag pilots I know would as well.
tjohns 7y ago
I'd say they're more likely to be hiding themselves from the map than your average commercial flight. Pilots of small aircraft are just as sensitive about giving up their privacy as anyone else. Would you want your name, address, and position broadcast on the internet every time you get in your car?
- dvtrn 7y ago
  Not just sensitive about their privacy, but there is a particularly ornery set of opinions among rural pilots regarding the government “telling me how to tend my own farm” which I think is at the root of what we see at the surface as being “privacy concerns”. So when someone says these types of aviators aren’t trying to hide themselves I’m highly skeptical on just how well-versed the speaker is with the issues and perspectives this class people have with more and more expensive operating requirements being put on them with diminishing returns for their compliance. Then again, this perspective isn't in line with "rich moguls and their private personal jets" and represents a blue-collar voice that gets left out of discussions in this community with a frustrating frequency; so I'm really not surprised, either. Hell go talk to some ground-based truckers how they feel about having their routes tracked by logistics companies who book them for loads. There’s videos all over YouTube from long haul truckers complaining about faceless entities demanding they install tracking systems or download GPS enabled apps and the constant complaint is “don’t tell me how to drive my truck" These operators want autonomy.

HeWhoLurksLate 7y ago

Well put. I also don't want my location broadcast as I move around on foot, or in my car, so why would I want to be tracked in the air? And if you don't like being tracked, what makes you think that others want to be tracked all the time?

ATsch 7y ago
Do you own an personal aeroplane with ads-b transmitter? Do you think it's likely you're going to own one anytime soon? This isn't the private data of your neighbor. This is either data from corporations which, despite being people in some senses, don't have any privacy rights, or individuals so rich that what they're doing with planes that they really want to keep secret should be everyone's concern.
- tjohns 7y ago
  I think you have an incorrect understanding of who owns planes. You'd be surprised how many of your neighbors own or rent aircraft at your local GA airport. It's not just something multi-millionaires do. In many cases it's cheaper than owning a Tesla.
  - dvtrn 7y ago
    Heck, one can buy a sport plane[0] for less than the MSRP of a brand new Honda. [0] http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/ch650/650-price.html http://www.zenithair.com/zodiac/ch650/650-price.html
    - selectodude 7y ago
      A sport plane sans engine. An aircraft engine is like $30,000.
- HeWhoLurksLate 7y ago
  ... I know of several people nearby (relatively speaking, same metropolitan-ish area) with pretty middle-class salaries and jobs who own airplanes- not jets or anything, just smaller prop planes (like itty bitty Cessna things) and a couple people with ultralights they can land in their (fairly spacious) backyards. Meh? As a passenger, I don't want to be tracked the way we do cattle. Maybe I'm missing the point here, but more tracking feels more invasive and more likely to lead to abuse of said information (information imbalances equate to power, too!) and I don't want any more of that than is absolutely positively unavoidable.