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Who is "we"? This is how democracy works, and those rural voters have a say in what happens. This country would crumble within months without all those flyover
by manigandham 7y ago
Who is "we"? This is how democracy works, and those rural voters have a say in what happens. This country would crumble within months without all those flyover states contributing to the nation.
- macintux 7y agoSpeaking as someone in one of those flyover states, the electoral college appears to have ended up in the worst of both worlds: it is neither reflecting the popular vote nor is the college doing what it was designed to do, which is act as a sanity check against demagogues and corruption.
- manigandham 7y agoIt wasn't designed to do either of those things. The Electoral College makes sure each state has a say without being overruled by the majority. Countering the popular vote is the point. Also corruption is a much deeper issue that has to do with popular perception and the vast amounts of money in politics. It needs to be solved starting in local elections and work its way up. There's nothing the EC can do about that.
- lozaning 7y agoCurious as to your line of thinking here. What exactly do the coasts need that only flyover country can provide? I live in a flyover state and I like living here just fine, but I find the idea that California is going to crumble if North Dakota stops supporting it to be hilarious.
- manigandham 7y agoFlyover country provides food, manufacturing and talent to many corporations that you don't know but interact with every day. As a 20 year resident of California, this state is absolutely broke and barely survives as it is. It would be a failed nation-state if it was on its own.
- lozaning 7y agoI'm gonna argue that all of those things are fungible commodities easily bought by the next supplier should they become unavailable from flyover country. Curious why you've lived for so long in a state you apparently have a lot of disdain for. There must be something keeping you there.
- manigandham 7y agoIf they were so easily bought then they would be, but you missed the fact that the state is broke and can't pay for anything anyway. Family keeps my primary residence here, but that's irrelevant to the discussion. Here's an exercise: ask a CA resident to name 10 things that have gotten better over the last decade in this state. I'd be surprised if they name 1.
- lozaning 7y agoThese things are commodities, a bushel of corn is a bushel of corn is a bushel of corn. They're not more difficult to buy from elsewhere, the logistic just become marginally more expensive. There's not a buyer in the world that's going to buy the more expensive stuff first, but a marginal increase in logistics cost to buy corn from mexico instead of kansas is not going to result in california sinking into the ocean. What state do you think is just full to the brim with people waiting to talk about how good things are?
- hnews_account_1 7y agoAll of them are broke. CA, IL, KY etc. Wall Street has fucked the entire nation and the global financial system over. I say this as someone working on Wall Street. The economic hitmen have destroyed the world's monetary system and they need to be thrown in prison.
- CamperBob2 7y agoIf by "works" you mean "Results in the election of Donald Trump as President," then, yeah, it "works," I suppose.
- manigandham 7y agoWhat I mean is that you have to accept what the will of people, expressed by the system, votes into power - even if you don't like it.
- selimthegrim 7y agoExcellent, I expect these rural Kashmiri voters will be able to elect their MLAs real soon now
- selimthegrim 7y agoWell, not even panchayat, let alone MLA: https://thewire.in/politics/jk-defers-panchayat-poll-ec https://thewire.in/politics/jk-defers-panchayat-poll-ec