> MVC does not comprise all layers of an application. But the topic is MVC not some particular application. I think jerf's point is that it's weird to say that

> MVC does not comprise all layers of an application. But the topic is MVC not some particular application. I think jerf's point is that it's weird to say that a service layer is an important part of working with MVC when it's not even part of the same idea. Your statement here confirms that. One can be talking about an expansion of the idea of MVC as if it were MVC itself, but that just proves jerf's point, too, about MVC being meaningless.