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(I really don't understand this comment, nor the tone that I perceive as quite aggressive, but I may just misunderstand it. So answering anyway) > The unspoken

by jbk 7y ago

(I really don't understand this comment, nor the tone that I perceive as quite aggressive, but I may just misunderstand it. So answering anyway) > The unspoken "problem" you have is that your existing users are doing just fine with VLC. Some of them yes, some are complaining. Quite many, in fact. > If all you see is "growing" the userbase by nuking and reworking the user interface what happens to us your existing users? We're just working so that it still works for our existing users, that's exactly the point of my previous comment. It will require, at some places, to have some options, for contradictory use-cases; but mostly, we will try to support everything that we did, just simplify some cases (changes of subtitles or audio for example, chromecast or access to video effect), and provide a media library to people who listen to a lot of audio. > I use VLC primarily as a music player for my jazz album collection. It handles many formats I throw at it. It has a simple playlist (I play albums from start to finish and do not value a lot of spazzy track selection features). It should absolutely still work. If it does not work as before, just tell us why and we will fix. I can even send you some early designs, if you are scared. We are in no hurry, so we'll do well. It just requires more time, which is what we have :) > If you privilege growth of new users you don't care Who talked about growth? We're talking about VLC! We don't make any money by having more users, on the contrary. We just want our users to be more happy.

huihe9849hjjgkg 7y ago
(I really don't understand this comment, nor the tone that I perceive as quite aggressive, but I may just misunderstand it. So answering anyway) I understood the comment fine. Even the way you're explaining yourself makes me nervous about the changes you may or not make. Maybe I have just been burnt so many times.
- jbk 7y ago
  > Even the way you're explaining yourself makes me nervous about the changes you may or not make. What part? I explain the difficulty we have in designing something and you jump at my throat without even seeing what we do.
badsectoracula 7y ago
> (I really don't understand this comment, nor the tone that I perceive as quite aggressive, but I may just misunderstand it. So answering anyway) I think it was a bit aggressive, though i sort of understand it: one of the most common (if not the most common) complains after a UX change in any semi-popular program is that the change was negative for some people's experience and i think everyone who has used computers for a while has experienced at least once what they perceived as unnecessary UX degradation of one of their favorite programs. So whenever the topic of some program changing their UI (regardless of reasons) comes up, a kneejerk reaction that goes fully towards the negative side of possibilities is expected. The more time people invest in a program, the more painful it becomes when they feel that their investment becomes worthless. (EDIT: FWIW personally i do not make any weird use of VLC, so as long as it keeps having the common minimal slider, play, pause, etc UI i doubt i'll have any problems with it :-P)
- jbk 7y ago
  Oh sure. But we're not doing a reddit-thingie: we're doing some reskinning of the player and adding an optional media library. And improving the audio usage quite a bit. And we're using 21st century tech to overlay controls on the player. We're not removing features from VLC, not removing codecs, not removing options.
WhatIsDukkha 7y ago
I didn't feel aggressive when I wrote it to you, I'm a very happy VLC user, thanks very much for working on it. I love the fact that VLC seems to be able to play and use most any media I throw at it. I love that I can edit the play/toolbar stuff. Awesome. I like the fact that VLC still has menus instead of trying to mash everything into a single menu "hamburger" ie like the browsers and some others have done. I'm skilled with a mouse and even I find "hamburgers" onerous to use. I love the fact that VLCs icons are very simple, clean and clear what they do. I really like that they haven't changed much over time. Most things seem to be where they should be. I don't really see anything I wish was gone. If someone that watches a lot of anime (or whatever) or something needs a special button or context menu added somewhere so they can enjoy VLC more, I'm totally fine with that and I'll likely infer the sense of it if it appears.
- jbk 7y ago
  > I love the fact that VLC seems to be able to play and use most any media I throw at it. Kept > I love that I can edit the play/toolbar stuff. Awesome. We kept that, and we will keep that. > I like the fact that VLC still has menus instead of trying to mash everything into a single menu "hamburger" ie like the browsers and some others have done. I'm skilled with a mouse and even I find "hamburgers" onerous to use. No hamburger menu, and we're even removing hamburger menu from Android. On Desktop, the menu bar is hidden by default, but can be made visible always with a simple option. So if you want it, you have it. Not just that, but the code of the menu has not changed. So all is at the same place. > I love the fact that VLCs icons are very simple, clean and clear what they do. I really like that they haven't changed much over time. We don't have many icons, so there won't be any change on that. But I can give you screenshots if you want. > Most things seem to be where they should be. We don't change much of the player UX > I don't really see anything I wish was gone. We do not remove feature, again. So again, you should mail me and I'll give you designs and you'll tell me what is missing for you.

by jbk 7y ago

huihe9849hjjgkg 7y ago

(I really don't understand this comment, nor the tone that I perceive as quite aggressive, but I may just misunderstand it. So answering anyway) I understood the comment fine. Even the way you're explaining yourself makes me nervous about the changes you may or not make. Maybe I have just been burnt so many times.

jbk 7y ago
> Even the way you're explaining yourself makes me nervous about the changes you may or not make. What part? I explain the difficulty we have in designing something and you jump at my throat without even seeing what we do.

badsectoracula 7y ago

> (I really don't understand this comment, nor the tone that I perceive as quite aggressive, but I may just misunderstand it. So answering anyway) I think it was a bit aggressive, though i sort of understand it: one of the most common (if not the most common) complains after a UX change in any semi-popular program is that the change was negative for some people's experience and i think everyone who has used computers for a while has experienced at least once what they perceived as unnecessary UX degradation of one of their favorite programs. So whenever the topic of some program changing their UI (regardless of reasons) comes up, a kneejerk reaction that goes fully towards the negative side of possibilities is expected. The more time people invest in a program, the more painful it becomes when they feel that their investment becomes worthless. (EDIT: FWIW personally i do not make any weird use of VLC, so as long as it keeps having the common minimal slider, play, pause, etc UI i doubt i'll have any problems with it :-P)

jbk 7y ago
Oh sure. But we're not doing a reddit-thingie: we're doing some reskinning of the player and adding an optional media library. And improving the audio usage quite a bit. And we're using 21st century tech to overlay controls on the player. We're not removing features from VLC, not removing codecs, not removing options.

WhatIsDukkha 7y ago

I didn't feel aggressive when I wrote it to you, I'm a very happy VLC user, thanks very much for working on it. I love the fact that VLC seems to be able to play and use most any media I throw at it. I love that I can edit the play/toolbar stuff. Awesome. I like the fact that VLC still has menus instead of trying to mash everything into a single menu "hamburger" ie like the browsers and some others have done. I'm skilled with a mouse and even I find "hamburgers" onerous to use. I love the fact that VLCs icons are very simple, clean and clear what they do. I really like that they haven't changed much over time. Most things seem to be where they should be. I don't really see anything I wish was gone. If someone that watches a lot of anime (or whatever) or something needs a special button or context menu added somewhere so they can enjoy VLC more, I'm totally fine with that and I'll likely infer the sense of it if it appears.

jbk 7y ago
> I love the fact that VLC seems to be able to play and use most any media I throw at it. Kept > I love that I can edit the play/toolbar stuff. Awesome. We kept that, and we will keep that. > I like the fact that VLC still has menus instead of trying to mash everything into a single menu "hamburger" ie like the browsers and some others have done. I'm skilled with a mouse and even I find "hamburgers" onerous to use. No hamburger menu, and we're even removing hamburger menu from Android. On Desktop, the menu bar is hidden by default, but can be made visible always with a simple option. So if you want it, you have it. Not just that, but the code of the menu has not changed. So all is at the same place. > I love the fact that VLCs icons are very simple, clean and clear what they do. I really like that they haven't changed much over time. We don't have many icons, so there won't be any change on that. But I can give you screenshots if you want. > Most things seem to be where they should be. We don't change much of the player UX > I don't really see anything I wish was gone. We do not remove feature, again. So again, you should mail me and I'll give you designs and you'll tell me what is missing for you.