My biggest issue with MVC is that in my experience it always ends up having the C being glue between fat Ms and fat Vs, with multiple views ocasionally growing

My biggest issue with MVC is that in my experience it always ends up having the C being glue between fat Ms and fat Vs, with multiple views ocasionally growing tendrils between one another. As in, not the pattern, but the real-world usage of it. Development constraints always end up corrupting the pretty pattern in ways that make the current problem at hand easier to solve, and this de facto architecture IMO never ends up looking like proper MVC for me. I want to say I like Action-Domain-Responder better, but I haven't seen any real-world implementations of a ROA with it yet.