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> In tech, we can generally assume reasonable working conditions and pay, so Kickstarter unionizing screams “toxic management” for me, personally. I can confir
by ksr_throwaway 7y ago
> In tech, we can generally assume reasonable working conditions and pay, so Kickstarter unionizing screams “toxic management” for me, personally.
I can confirm that "toxic management" is the only way to describe the situation when this union drive began.
Source: I work at Kickstarter
- thu2111 7y agoIs the article's description of why the union was created accurate?
- ksr_throwaway 7y agoYes it's accurate, though the "Always Punch Nazis" controversy was just the tip of the iceberg. Employees were being treated like enemies by some in upper management. Edit: I've been rate limited by HN mods (thanks!), so not replying on this account anymore. All the best!
- thu2111 7y agoThe article is ambiguous, but I guess those organising the union were taking the side of leaving the project up? Or is the union demanding total freedom of speech in the terms of service? I'm guessing not. Doesn't that bother you, at least a little bit? How can whether or not to leave up "always punch nazis" be the union's signature issue? Unions are meant to fight for the common man against the elites. alwayspunchnazis.com has a cartoon of the US President being punched in the face at the top of it, and every article on that website calls the Republicans Nazis. Given how many ordinary working class Americans voted for Trump, painting them all as Nazis and then insisting that such a fundraise remains live would seem to be the opposite of what unions historically stood for.
- xkemp 7y agoYou seem quite obsessed with protecting Nazis from satire. I thought the US right was really into free speech?
- thu2111 7y agoI'm not American, but I really don't think this counts as satire. What's it satirising, exactly? You can't just encourage people to be violent and call it satire. BTW even though I support free speech, like most people I draw the line at explicit exhortions to beat people up. I thought it was quite basic.
- mcantelon 7y agoPerhaps mainstream conservatives would be cooler with this type of violent agitprop-masquerading-as-satire if it they weren't often called Nazis and physically attacked.
- djannzjkzxn 7y ago> Given how many ordinary working class Americans voted for Trump, painting them all as Nazis and then insisting that such a fundraise remains live would seem to be the opposite of what unions historically stood for. The Nazis won a plurality of the popular vote, so it’s not exactly a great distinguishing factor for Trump.
- mcantelon 7y ago>The Nazis won a plurality of the popular vote, so it’s not exactly a great distinguishing factor for Trump. The distinguishing factor is that Trump's admin doesn't actually resemble a Nazi regime.
- djannzjkzxn 7y agoI was only responding to a particular point in the parent comment.
- lawnchair_larry 7y agoThe irony here is that most union members in the US are Trump supporters.
- mcantelon 7y ago>Yes it's accurate, though the "Always Punch Nazis" controversy was just the tip of the iceberg Wow pretty crazy that a company would expect employees to consistently enforce a reasonable part of the company's T.O.S. Many tech workers have no idea how unbelievably spoiled they are.
- dang 7y agoNew accounts are rate limited by software. I've marked your account to exempt it from this now.
- lawnchair_larry 7y agoYou have it backwards. The employees treated management like enemies, and still are. Now everyone else is legally required to as well. What a disaster.