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The (original) article only mentioned one grievance, that Kickstarter removed a "punch nazis" project and the employees revolted. Honestly it sounds like they

The (original) article only mentioned one grievance, that Kickstarter removed a "punch nazis" project and the employees revolted. Honestly it sounds like they had it pretty good.

anarchodev 7y ago
Having management that's not sympathetic to Nazis is a pretty low bar IMO, but if that was the only grievance I doubt it would have been possible to convince a majority of the workforce to unionize over this.
- toasterlovin 7y ago
  Being against advocating violence against a group is not the same thing as agreeing with that group. This is basic logic.
  - anarchodev 7y ago
    That's correct. Simply disagreeing with Nazis is ineffectual and is very common among those with sympathies toward them as a shield from criticism. I'd prefer to work with people who are actively opposed to them. Sorry if that wasn't clear somehow.
    - whatshisface 7y ago
      Well, if everybody disagreed with them there wouldn't be any, so maybe that's enough.
      - anarchodev 7y ago
        How would people disagreeing with Nazis get rid of them? Does that work with anything else?
        whatshisface 7y ago
        If everyone disagreed with them, they wouldn't get any new recruits and it would die out. Technically, if everybody disagreed with them then they would disagree with themselves and quit. But more realistically, if people disagree with them they will stew forever in political impotence.
        anarchodev 7y ago
        So in your best-case scenario, all we have to do is wait for the current nazis (many of whom are mid-20's or 30's) to pass away? And I guess until then, just deal with the pain and loss they create? I hope you can understand why that doesn't appeal to me. To say nothing of the reality of the situation, which is that they're not dying out -- they're actively recruiting and growing their ranks.
        toasterlovin 7y ago
        > they're actively recruiting and growing their ranks FWIW, Nazis are a non-factor in the lives of something approaching 100.00% of people in North America (and I would imagine Western Europe).
        Apocryphon 7y ago
        This story came out yesterday: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/17/german-far-right-arrests-reveal-multiple-mosque-attacks-plot https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/17/german-far-rig...
        anarchodev 7y ago
        Of course, this is what you thought all along. And it's absolutely not true in the US or Canada. But even in places where there isn't an active sect of actual neo-nazis, there is usually a smattering of violent white supremacist organizations who will work with them. What I suspect you meant is that, for you, it's not really a problem.
naiveprogrammer 7y ago
"play stupid games win stupid prizes"

The (original) article only mentioned one grievance, that Kickstarter removed a "punch nazis" project and the employees revolted. Honestly it sounds like they had it pretty good.

anarchodev 7y ago

Having management that's not sympathetic to Nazis is a pretty low bar IMO, but if that was the only grievance I doubt it would have been possible to convince a majority of the workforce to unionize over this.

toasterlovin 7y ago
Being against advocating violence against a group is not the same thing as agreeing with that group. This is basic logic.
- anarchodev 7y ago
  That's correct. Simply disagreeing with Nazis is ineffectual and is very common among those with sympathies toward them as a shield from criticism. I'd prefer to work with people who are actively opposed to them. Sorry if that wasn't clear somehow.
  - whatshisface 7y ago
    Well, if everybody disagreed with them there wouldn't be any, so maybe that's enough.
    - anarchodev 7y ago
      How would people disagreeing with Nazis get rid of them? Does that work with anything else?
      - whatshisface 7y ago
        If everyone disagreed with them, they wouldn't get any new recruits and it would die out. Technically, if everybody disagreed with them then they would disagree with themselves and quit. But more realistically, if people disagree with them they will stew forever in political impotence.
        anarchodev 7y ago
        So in your best-case scenario, all we have to do is wait for the current nazis (many of whom are mid-20's or 30's) to pass away? And I guess until then, just deal with the pain and loss they create? I hope you can understand why that doesn't appeal to me. To say nothing of the reality of the situation, which is that they're not dying out -- they're actively recruiting and growing their ranks.
        toasterlovin 7y ago
        > they're actively recruiting and growing their ranks FWIW, Nazis are a non-factor in the lives of something approaching 100.00% of people in North America (and I would imagine Western Europe).
        Apocryphon 7y ago
        This story came out yesterday: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/17/german-far-right-arrests-reveal-multiple-mosque-attacks-plot https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/17/german-far-rig...
        anarchodev 7y ago
        Of course, this is what you thought all along. And it's absolutely not true in the US or Canada. But even in places where there isn't an active sect of actual neo-nazis, there is usually a smattering of violent white supremacist organizations who will work with them. What I suspect you meant is that, for you, it's not really a problem.

naiveprogrammer 7y ago

"play stupid games win stupid prizes"