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> request will stop accepting new features. > request will stop considering breaking changes. > The committers that are still active will try to merge fixes i

by dpedu 7y ago

> request will stop accepting new features. > request will stop considering breaking changes. > The committers that are still active will try to merge fixes in a timely fashion Sounds to me like the library is "done".

djsumdog 7y ago
Yea, makes me think of how every news blog reported mp3 as "dead" when the patent expired, when they should have been saying mp3 is now license free.
- MadWombat 7y ago
  Also, "mp3 is license free" rhymes :)
  - Waterluvian 7y ago
    License free mp3 is good to see. But what we need, according to me, is for AAC to become license free.
    - DyslexicAtheist 7y ago
      People don't wanna pay for CDs Now every other house holds got PCs They download MP3s, People please be reasonable (yeah) How am I gonna make my g's, If you got my album before the release, The quality's rubbish and there ain't no sleaves,
- loeg 7y ago
  I don't think anyone really uses mp3 for audio compression anymore, though. There's FLAC, mp4 (AAC), and free Vorbis (which claims to be competitive with both); and DVDs and whatnot are still using AC3, EAC3, and various other Dolby Digital audio formats. Given that landscape, I don't know why you'd pick mp3.
  - anthony_doan 7y ago
    Well most pirated music albums and songs are still in mp3s. Even bandcamp I chose mp3s for itune, maybe it's bias confirmation, but I don't believe mp3 went out of style. Do you have a source for this? Is this audio compression for music production people or in general? I just can't see mp3 being out.
  - smichel17 7y ago
    I keep a library of music, ripped from cds I own. My master copy is FLAC, but I use mp3 for on-the-go copies because it is not patent encumbered and it is supported everywhere. If you have a suggestion for an encoding+container that is will work out of the box both natively and in every major browser, across every major OS (Windows MacOS, Android, iOS and GNU/Linux, specifically distros like Fedora or Trisquel that don't ship nonfree codecs in their default repos), I will gladly switch to it.
    - thrtythreeforty 7y ago
      Does Ogg Vorbis play on iOS? In my experience it has pretty good support across most other platforms. You do have to install Web Media Extensions on Windows, but that's little different from having to install libvorbis on Linux.
      - colejohnson66 7y ago
        No, it doesn’t... on a stock build. Get the VLC app though, and then you can play (through the app, of course).
  - hackmiester 7y ago
    FLAC meets a different requirement. AAC isn't license free as far as I know. Many devices won't play Vorbis. So I encode to mp3 for now.
    - beatgammit 7y ago
      MP3 is good enough for most casual uses, and not being patent encumbered makes it easier to use. I honestly don't know why I should bother using anything else for personal audio consumption.
nikanj 7y ago
I wouldn’t mind if most of the software I used was deprecated like this.
neurobashing 7y ago
Hardly a hot take but a lot of people seem to think that if code isn't actively being worked it, you can't use it, as if there can never be a point where fewer and fewer bugs are reported and fewer and fewer features are requested. when's the last time Knuth wrote a check for TAOCP? Is it "dead"?
- kibwen 7y ago
  Heh, that's kind of a bad example, because Knuth is still actively writing TAOCP, and presumably does still send out his (now symbolic) reward checks. Volume 5 expected by 2025! https://www-cs-faculty.stanford.edu/~knuth/taocp.html https://www-cs-faculty.stanford.edu/~knuth/taocp.html
- JorgeGT 7y ago
  He is still working on it and the latest check I know about was from a few months ago: https://nickdrozd.github.io/2019/05/17/knuth-check.html https://nickdrozd.github.io/2019/05/17/knuth-check.html but I still agree with your first sentence.
- philwelch 7y ago
  The last fascicle of TAOCP was released last November.
- fapjacks 7y ago
  He no longer writes checks to people for bug-hunting and hasn't done so for years due to concerns about the proliferation of his banking information. He mails out certificates.
  - chrisseaton 7y ago
    Why do checks have your banking secrets on them?
    - Izkata 7y ago
      ...so that they can be used? Those numbers across the bottom are your bank's routing number and your account number. I'm honestly surprised I don't hear more about e-check theft done using those numbers.
kibwen 7y ago
Reading the issue laying out the reason for taking this step, it all seems quite reasonable and mature: https://github.com/request/request/issues/3142 https://github.com/request/request/issues/3142 TL;DR: at over a decade old it's a primordial Node lib which has become increasingly difficult to evolve as the platform introduces new features, so rather than break every user with a massively disruptive new version that embraces modern features it's going to attempt to quietly sunset to free up the oxygen in the room so that new libs can grow.
hoorayimhelping 7y ago
I read "done" wrong the first time. I read it as "stick a fork in it, it's done," as in, the library is done for. Not long for this world. It seems like you meant it more in the sense of this library is "complete." Just in case anyone was confused.
- dpedu 7y ago
  Done as in complete, yes.
kabes 7y ago
The annoying thing is, since it is marked as deprecated, everyone installing a package that relies on it will get a deprecation notice. I already had some users opening issues on some of my projects for this.
- deleted 7y ago
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SahAssar 7y ago
I'd agree if it wasn't for it having to remain compatible with future node releases. If it was (and I don't know if it is) part of the node.js testsuite then it seems like the ideal way to end active development on a library.

by dpedu 7y ago

djsumdog 7y ago

Yea, makes me think of how every news blog reported mp3 as "dead" when the patent expired, when they should have been saying mp3 is now license free.

MadWombat 7y ago
Also, "mp3 is license free" rhymes :)
- Waterluvian 7y ago
  License free mp3 is good to see. But what we need, according to me, is for AAC to become license free.
  - DyslexicAtheist 7y ago
    People don't wanna pay for CDs Now every other house holds got PCs They download MP3s, People please be reasonable (yeah) How am I gonna make my g's, If you got my album before the release, The quality's rubbish and there ain't no sleaves,
loeg 7y ago
I don't think anyone really uses mp3 for audio compression anymore, though. There's FLAC, mp4 (AAC), and free Vorbis (which claims to be competitive with both); and DVDs and whatnot are still using AC3, EAC3, and various other Dolby Digital audio formats. Given that landscape, I don't know why you'd pick mp3.
- anthony_doan 7y ago
  Well most pirated music albums and songs are still in mp3s. Even bandcamp I chose mp3s for itune, maybe it's bias confirmation, but I don't believe mp3 went out of style. Do you have a source for this? Is this audio compression for music production people or in general? I just can't see mp3 being out.
- smichel17 7y ago
  I keep a library of music, ripped from cds I own. My master copy is FLAC, but I use mp3 for on-the-go copies because it is not patent encumbered and it is supported everywhere. If you have a suggestion for an encoding+container that is will work out of the box both natively and in every major browser, across every major OS (Windows MacOS, Android, iOS and GNU/Linux, specifically distros like Fedora or Trisquel that don't ship nonfree codecs in their default repos), I will gladly switch to it.
  - thrtythreeforty 7y ago
    Does Ogg Vorbis play on iOS? In my experience it has pretty good support across most other platforms. You do have to install Web Media Extensions on Windows, but that's little different from having to install libvorbis on Linux.
    - colejohnson66 7y ago
      No, it doesn’t... on a stock build. Get the VLC app though, and then you can play (through the app, of course).
- hackmiester 7y ago
  FLAC meets a different requirement. AAC isn't license free as far as I know. Many devices won't play Vorbis. So I encode to mp3 for now.
  - beatgammit 7y ago
    MP3 is good enough for most casual uses, and not being patent encumbered makes it easier to use. I honestly don't know why I should bother using anything else for personal audio consumption.

nikanj 7y ago

I wouldn’t mind if most of the software I used was deprecated like this.

neurobashing 7y ago

Hardly a hot take but a lot of people seem to think that if code isn't actively being worked it, you can't use it, as if there can never be a point where fewer and fewer bugs are reported and fewer and fewer features are requested. when's the last time Knuth wrote a check for TAOCP? Is it "dead"?

kibwen 7y ago
Heh, that's kind of a bad example, because Knuth is still actively writing TAOCP, and presumably does still send out his (now symbolic) reward checks. Volume 5 expected by 2025! https://www-cs-faculty.stanford.edu/~knuth/taocp.html https://www-cs-faculty.stanford.edu/~knuth/taocp.html
JorgeGT 7y ago
He is still working on it and the latest check I know about was from a few months ago: https://nickdrozd.github.io/2019/05/17/knuth-check.html https://nickdrozd.github.io/2019/05/17/knuth-check.html but I still agree with your first sentence.
philwelch 7y ago
The last fascicle of TAOCP was released last November.
fapjacks 7y ago
He no longer writes checks to people for bug-hunting and hasn't done so for years due to concerns about the proliferation of his banking information. He mails out certificates.
- chrisseaton 7y ago
  Why do checks have your banking secrets on them?
  - Izkata 7y ago
    ...so that they can be used? Those numbers across the bottom are your bank's routing number and your account number. I'm honestly surprised I don't hear more about e-check theft done using those numbers.

kibwen 7y ago

Reading the issue laying out the reason for taking this step, it all seems quite reasonable and mature: https://github.com/request/request/issues/3142 https://github.com/request/request/issues/3142 TL;DR: at over a decade old it's a primordial Node lib which has become increasingly difficult to evolve as the platform introduces new features, so rather than break every user with a massively disruptive new version that embraces modern features it's going to attempt to quietly sunset to free up the oxygen in the room so that new libs can grow.

hoorayimhelping 7y ago

I read "done" wrong the first time. I read it as "stick a fork in it, it's done," as in, the library is done for. Not long for this world. It seems like you meant it more in the sense of this library is "complete." Just in case anyone was confused.

dpedu 7y ago
Done as in complete, yes.

kabes 7y ago

The annoying thing is, since it is marked as deprecated, everyone installing a package that relies on it will get a deprecation notice. I already had some users opening issues on some of my projects for this.

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SahAssar 7y ago

I'd agree if it wasn't for it having to remain compatible with future node releases. If it was (and I don't know if it is) part of the node.js testsuite then it seems like the ideal way to end active development on a library.