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Wouldn't it be a lot easier to just pass orders down through the ranks to report all sightings, however odd they may seem? "Hey, we think the Chinese or Russia

by 34679 7y ago

Wouldn't it be a lot easier to just pass orders down through the ranks to report all sightings, however odd they may seem? "Hey, we think the Chinese or Russians may have something new. It's imperative that all unidentifiable flying craft are reported." My personal theory is that the US knows exactly what these objects are because they built them. I don't believe the US military would've ever commented if they weren't fully aware of the nature of these objects. From a military strategy point of view, that's equivalent to broadcasting a weakness. Instead, I believe the US military is broadcasting a strength. A sort of disclosure of capability without any real disclosure. The release of these videos, and the accompanying comments from military personnel, in my opinion, is a warning to other nations.

emiliobumachar 7y ago
A lot easier, may not work. "On one hand, I've been ordered to report UFOs. On the other hand, I don't want to be laughed at, do a lengthy psych evaluation, and never fly again. " Best to do both.
gfodor 7y ago
You assume that if these are not ours, then broadcasting them shows a weakness. That seems like a big assumption. There are a variety of scenarios where the military may not see these as a threat, yet didn’t create them.
- 34679 7y ago
  According to the Navy pilot who went on the Rogan podcast, the object he encountered was actively jamming his radar and targeting systems, which he also said is considered an act of war. I'm not sure how any military could consider a craft that can fly circles around ours while jamming our targeting systems to be benign. Unless it's ours. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnIG-i2WCfg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnIG-i2WCfg https://podscribe.app/feeds/http-joeroganexpjoeroganlibsynprocom-rss/episodes/d9e17c921e16426f9a7ed615813e6b65 https://podscribe.app/feeds/http-joeroganexpjoeroganlibsynpr... "the way the system actually works is when you see something on the radar and you designate it as your primary target all the other sensors will look at that point so it's everything is kind of sink together so he picks up a hit on his radar and he goes to lock it up because I watched all the tapes he goes to lock it up and immediately the radar can tell it gets signals back that it's being jammed ► 00:20:44 so in technically jamming is an act of War it starts jamming the radar goes into a jam extrapolate a bunch of stuff happens on the scope"
  - gfodor 7y ago
    some of the scenarios I'm referring to: - there's some communicative intelligence involved with the craft(s), that we've communicated with in a way that leads us to think they are harmless (despite radar jamming antics.) in a best case scenario, we've been given guarantees of safety as well as sufficient explanation and demonstration to consider that guarantee credible. - we've seen sufficient examples of these in history to conclude that if harm was meant, it would have been dealt by now - the crafts themselves have given indications of any game theoretic elements which would lead to harm. for example, perhaps they've communicated (perhaps indirectly through escalation and deescalation) what areas of engagement or human action will lead to escalation and which won't, and have done so consistently i'm leaning towards a combination of the second and the third. there's no reason to believe these craft are new phenomena, but likely evaded sufficient detection to be accepted as real until the last several decades. if you assume the technology involved in these are far beyond our own, then it's also fair to assume that any capacity for harm from these has been ever-present and existential in scope since humanity first began. and yet, here we are. so it doesn't take a huge leap of logic to conclude that perhaps these are harmless, modulo any major disruptions in say the threat of humanity to itself or to other parts of the galaxy.
YarickR2 7y ago
US is so very much into "sending a message" thing. Anything of importance ? "This is a message to ". My God, there are hundred ways to deliver a message without resorting to teh dramah
- mlvljr 7y ago
  A tech drama ;)
chiefalchemist 7y ago
Yes and no. Is the US military broadcasting strength? Probably. That would be consistent with its history. However. That doesn't mean they know. It only means they are in the best position to make the claim. No one does misinformation as good as the NSA, CIA, etc. does. The two things are independent.
- 34679 7y ago
  >It only means they are in the best position to make the claim. That's a good point I hadn't considered.
not_skeptic 7y ago
Yeah, so I am curious here, why do you believe anything humans are capable of building can do what these objects are reported as doing? I ask this in all seriousness because I don't think you, me, or anyone else alive can answer how they do basically any of the stuff reported. This makes it hard for me to believe that not only has someone actually answered all of those questions, but actually mastered the science and fielded the requisite tech to do these things. I've seen this argument advanced before that this is super secret squirrel shit the boys out in NM are cooking on, but there's always this really big gap in what we can do and what these things do. What's your guess on how the boys filled that gap?
- tgflynn 7y ago
  One possible theory is that they aren't massive objects at all but instead are some sort of 3D projection in the air, probably involving plasma produced with high powered lasers, RF beams or particle beams. That would require technology that isn't publicly known but probably doesn't violate any laws of physics. However if you believe the claims made in this article that high-ranking officials have excluded the possibility that the events were due to any US SAP then this possibility becomes more remote. I think if anyone on Earth has this technology it would be the US, simply because they spend so much more on defense than any other country.
  - egfx 7y ago
    Interesting that there is a good amount of circumstantial evidence that leads this way. I saw the phenomenon with other witnesses as well 22 years ago and I simply cannot rule out projections. Seems simple enough and able to explain it all. But then again there is supposed to be physical evidence which would contradict everything I just said. Now that would be something. See my previous comment on the topic https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21860860 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21860860
- andrewflnr 7y ago
  > you, me, or anyone else alive One of these is not like the others. Why do you think it's less plausible that humans have this technology than any other intelligent entity? There's no real reason to believe there's a sharp line between "human" and "other" capabilities. If the alternative is literally aliens, it's not a large stretch to imagine that once you've had the right insight, a Mach effect drive or something similar is possible. The part of that story that's harder to believe is that we could have successfully kept it hidden this long.
lowdose 7y ago
Or it's projecting a strength to entice a Chinese reaction. If the US knows 100% for a fact after burning through a ton of cash our flying technology has reach global maximum. The best strategy would be to act as if you actually have something and let your adversaries burn even more resources trying to achieve the impossible.

by 34679 7y ago

emiliobumachar 7y ago

A lot easier, may not work. "On one hand, I've been ordered to report UFOs. On the other hand, I don't want to be laughed at, do a lengthy psych evaluation, and never fly again. " Best to do both.

gfodor 7y ago

You assume that if these are not ours, then broadcasting them shows a weakness. That seems like a big assumption. There are a variety of scenarios where the military may not see these as a threat, yet didn’t create them.

34679 7y ago
According to the Navy pilot who went on the Rogan podcast, the object he encountered was actively jamming his radar and targeting systems, which he also said is considered an act of war. I'm not sure how any military could consider a craft that can fly circles around ours while jamming our targeting systems to be benign. Unless it's ours. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnIG-i2WCfg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnIG-i2WCfg https://podscribe.app/feeds/http-joeroganexpjoeroganlibsynprocom-rss/episodes/d9e17c921e16426f9a7ed615813e6b65 https://podscribe.app/feeds/http-joeroganexpjoeroganlibsynpr... "the way the system actually works is when you see something on the radar and you designate it as your primary target all the other sensors will look at that point so it's everything is kind of sink together so he picks up a hit on his radar and he goes to lock it up because I watched all the tapes he goes to lock it up and immediately the radar can tell it gets signals back that it's being jammed ► 00:20:44 so in technically jamming is an act of War it starts jamming the radar goes into a jam extrapolate a bunch of stuff happens on the scope"
- gfodor 7y ago
  some of the scenarios I'm referring to: - there's some communicative intelligence involved with the craft(s), that we've communicated with in a way that leads us to think they are harmless (despite radar jamming antics.) in a best case scenario, we've been given guarantees of safety as well as sufficient explanation and demonstration to consider that guarantee credible. - we've seen sufficient examples of these in history to conclude that if harm was meant, it would have been dealt by now - the crafts themselves have given indications of any game theoretic elements which would lead to harm. for example, perhaps they've communicated (perhaps indirectly through escalation and deescalation) what areas of engagement or human action will lead to escalation and which won't, and have done so consistently i'm leaning towards a combination of the second and the third. there's no reason to believe these craft are new phenomena, but likely evaded sufficient detection to be accepted as real until the last several decades. if you assume the technology involved in these are far beyond our own, then it's also fair to assume that any capacity for harm from these has been ever-present and existential in scope since humanity first began. and yet, here we are. so it doesn't take a huge leap of logic to conclude that perhaps these are harmless, modulo any major disruptions in say the threat of humanity to itself or to other parts of the galaxy.

YarickR2 7y ago

US is so very much into "sending a message" thing. Anything of importance ? "This is a message to ". My God, there are hundred ways to deliver a message without resorting to teh dramah

mlvljr 7y ago
A tech drama ;)

chiefalchemist 7y ago

Yes and no. Is the US military broadcasting strength? Probably. That would be consistent with its history. However. That doesn't mean they know. It only means they are in the best position to make the claim. No one does misinformation as good as the NSA, CIA, etc. does. The two things are independent.

34679 7y ago
>It only means they are in the best position to make the claim. That's a good point I hadn't considered.

not_skeptic 7y ago

Yeah, so I am curious here, why do you believe anything humans are capable of building can do what these objects are reported as doing? I ask this in all seriousness because I don't think you, me, or anyone else alive can answer how they do basically any of the stuff reported. This makes it hard for me to believe that not only has someone actually answered all of those questions, but actually mastered the science and fielded the requisite tech to do these things. I've seen this argument advanced before that this is super secret squirrel shit the boys out in NM are cooking on, but there's always this really big gap in what we can do and what these things do. What's your guess on how the boys filled that gap?

tgflynn 7y ago
One possible theory is that they aren't massive objects at all but instead are some sort of 3D projection in the air, probably involving plasma produced with high powered lasers, RF beams or particle beams. That would require technology that isn't publicly known but probably doesn't violate any laws of physics. However if you believe the claims made in this article that high-ranking officials have excluded the possibility that the events were due to any US SAP then this possibility becomes more remote. I think if anyone on Earth has this technology it would be the US, simply because they spend so much more on defense than any other country.
- egfx 7y ago
  Interesting that there is a good amount of circumstantial evidence that leads this way. I saw the phenomenon with other witnesses as well 22 years ago and I simply cannot rule out projections. Seems simple enough and able to explain it all. But then again there is supposed to be physical evidence which would contradict everything I just said. Now that would be something. See my previous comment on the topic https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21860860 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21860860
andrewflnr 7y ago
> you, me, or anyone else alive One of these is not like the others. Why do you think it's less plausible that humans have this technology than any other intelligent entity? There's no real reason to believe there's a sharp line between "human" and "other" capabilities. If the alternative is literally aliens, it's not a large stretch to imagine that once you've had the right insight, a Mach effect drive or something similar is possible. The part of that story that's harder to believe is that we could have successfully kept it hidden this long.

lowdose 7y ago

Or it's projecting a strength to entice a Chinese reaction. If the US knows 100% for a fact after burning through a ton of cash our flying technology has reach global maximum. The best strategy would be to act as if you actually have something and let your adversaries burn even more resources trying to achieve the impossible.