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>Here's my theory about the recent influx of UFO footages coming from high places. US military was working on advanced drones. Nothing fancy, think current best

>Here's my theory about the recent influx of UFO footages coming from high places. US military was working on advanced drones. Nothing fancy, think current best tech, add 15 years and billion in r&d, that kind of stuff. The issue I have with this line of reasoning is that if the US military actually possesses technology that's vastly ahead of anything official, then that implies that about 99.9% of the US military budget -- and the entire known fleet -- is essentially a massive disinformation campaign.

SuoDuanDao 7y ago
While I don't believe the 'it's all cointel' theory myself, it does also seem possible the USAF could have highly advanced prototypes that aren't ready for mass production yet.
- pfisch 7y ago
  Sure, they have "highly advanced prototypes" where those prototypes obey the known laws of physics and experience inertia. They have drones that are better than the existing drones. They absolutely don't have drones that are anything like the impossible vehicles in these UFO reports though.
  - nine_k 7y ago
    If some radio and optical trickery may lead an observer to believe that the device moves in impossible ways, it's valuable. Remember that we have strategic bombers with a radio signature of a trash can, or whatever. This is seen as normal, and has been publicized for decades. Same with Russian supersonic fighter jets that can stop in the air for a moment. If we (or "they") have a drone with a visual signature of an inertia-less device (under certain angles, doing a special manoeuvre, etc), this does not mean they are actually inerta-less, but that they can fool the aiming systems.
    - ColanR 7y ago
      > If some radio and optical trickery may lead an observer to believe that the device moves in impossible ways, it's valuable. Pretty sure this was ruled out by the multiple methods of observation used.
      - tgflynn 7y ago
        I don't think so. It's at least conceivable that an induced plasma phenomenon could be visible to radar, IR and the human eye.
- foldingmoney 7y ago
  >it does also seem possible the USAF could have highly advanced prototypes that aren't ready for mass production yet. And have had them for decades now, if UFO reports are to be believed? UFO sightings aren't new. The capabilities people report don't seem to be getting better over time. If UFO reports are (sometimes) real and they're advanced US prototypes not ready for production, what were they 30 or 40 years ago? Have UFO reports only been real for the last 10 or so years?
  - TeMPOraL 7y ago
    My bet is that none of them are real. Of the ones I've seen, each one is different, each one had zero measurable impact other than some people and some cameras seeing something, and each one has its own perfectly reasonable explanation, usually involving photo editing, lies of a witness, and natural phenomena like e.g. internal reflection in the camera housing structure that changes as the camera rotates trying to track it.
newnewpdro 7y ago
> then that implies that about 99.9% of the US military budget -- and the entire known fleet -- is essentially a massive disinformation campaign Except that's not how the world works. We have peace for as long as there's a balance of powers in this MAD nuclear stalemate we find ourselves in. If you've got secret goodies in the shed that completely disrupt the balance, you don't realize them until it's absolutely necessary. It's not a massive disinformation campaign, it's about operating at scale on a level appropriate for the circumstances. China and Russia have been doing a lot of saber rattling and projecting new technologies that threaten to disrupt the balance, so I don't think it's too surprising that the US is responding with escalating propaganda of its own. The big question is are these UFOs demonstrating real capabilities or is it just fabricated FUD propaganda. We'll always have something better in the shed, otherwise we're obsolete.

SuoDuanDao 7y ago

While I don't believe the 'it's all cointel' theory myself, it does also seem possible the USAF could have highly advanced prototypes that aren't ready for mass production yet.

pfisch 7y ago
Sure, they have "highly advanced prototypes" where those prototypes obey the known laws of physics and experience inertia. They have drones that are better than the existing drones. They absolutely don't have drones that are anything like the impossible vehicles in these UFO reports though.
- nine_k 7y ago
  If some radio and optical trickery may lead an observer to believe that the device moves in impossible ways, it's valuable. Remember that we have strategic bombers with a radio signature of a trash can, or whatever. This is seen as normal, and has been publicized for decades. Same with Russian supersonic fighter jets that can stop in the air for a moment. If we (or "they") have a drone with a visual signature of an inertia-less device (under certain angles, doing a special manoeuvre, etc), this does not mean they are actually inerta-less, but that they can fool the aiming systems.
  - ColanR 7y ago
    > If some radio and optical trickery may lead an observer to believe that the device moves in impossible ways, it's valuable. Pretty sure this was ruled out by the multiple methods of observation used.
    - tgflynn 7y ago
      I don't think so. It's at least conceivable that an induced plasma phenomenon could be visible to radar, IR and the human eye.
foldingmoney 7y ago
>it does also seem possible the USAF could have highly advanced prototypes that aren't ready for mass production yet. And have had them for decades now, if UFO reports are to be believed? UFO sightings aren't new. The capabilities people report don't seem to be getting better over time. If UFO reports are (sometimes) real and they're advanced US prototypes not ready for production, what were they 30 or 40 years ago? Have UFO reports only been real for the last 10 or so years?
- TeMPOraL 7y ago
  My bet is that none of them are real. Of the ones I've seen, each one is different, each one had zero measurable impact other than some people and some cameras seeing something, and each one has its own perfectly reasonable explanation, usually involving photo editing, lies of a witness, and natural phenomena like e.g. internal reflection in the camera housing structure that changes as the camera rotates trying to track it.

newnewpdro 7y ago

> then that implies that about 99.9% of the US military budget -- and the entire known fleet -- is essentially a massive disinformation campaign Except that's not how the world works. We have peace for as long as there's a balance of powers in this MAD nuclear stalemate we find ourselves in. If you've got secret goodies in the shed that completely disrupt the balance, you don't realize them until it's absolutely necessary. It's not a massive disinformation campaign, it's about operating at scale on a level appropriate for the circumstances. China and Russia have been doing a lot of saber rattling and projecting new technologies that threaten to disrupt the balance, so I don't think it's too surprising that the US is responding with escalating propaganda of its own. The big question is are these UFOs demonstrating real capabilities or is it just fabricated FUD propaganda. We'll always have something better in the shed, otherwise we're obsolete.