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I am still traped into the mess Linux wayland has brought and all I see is a blurry algamation of nlurry fonts surrounded by blurry images. The Linux desktop i

I am still traped into the mess Linux wayland has brought and all I see is a blurry algamation of nlurry fonts surrounded by blurry images. The Linux desktop is dead.

maxmouchet 7y ago
Which distro./desktop environment are you using? I'm running a dual screen setup (laptop + 4k screen over DP) with fractional scaling on the laptop screen (150%). This works pretty well in Fedora 31, no blurred text. AFAIK different scaling parameters on different screens are not supported by Xorg, so I'm pretty happy with Wayland.
- jhoechtl 7y ago
  Kde Plasma Wayland with fractional scaling set to 125%. My workhorse applications are Libreoffice, Firefox and Thunderbird. Each and every of these applications is blurry as hell. My eyes hurt. True that the multi-monitor experience with mixed scaling factors per display under Wayland is better, that's why I am still suffering of that stockholm syndrom. Gnome does better, I acknowledge that, but their opinionated UI decisions make me feel like a retard.
  - Vogtinator 7y ago
    That's because those applications use XWayland, which means Wayland scaling has no effect and it scales the pixmaps instead. Try export GDK_BACKEND=wayland.
horsawlarway 7y ago
Not at all my experience. Honestly, wayland has been an incredibly sharp improvement over x for me. Arch running Gnome on Wayland just freaking works. Input is miles better. Output is miles better. I run two 4k displays and the internal display is 1920x1080. Even dragging windows between the external and internal monitor, with different scaling factors works SO much better.
tinus_hn 7y ago
Yeah that never happens on Windows..
proverbialbunny 7y ago
That's odd. Maybe it's your hardware or your setup or something. I'm on Linux, and as long as I have screen composition on in the NVidia Settings Panel and software vsync off, 4k60 is as smooth as butter and as sharp as 4k, much like OSX. It's nicer than Windows.
- 384028345 7y ago
  Thank you for that tip. I had a lot of screen tearing before I enabled that option. Do you have "Force Full Comoposition Pipeline" enabled or just "Force Composition Pipeline"? EDIT: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/NVIDIA/Troubleshooting#Avoid_screen_tearing https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/NVIDIA/Troubleshooting#... That's helpful! :)
notyourday 7y ago
I played with Wayland and decided it is not for me. I'm running 3x 28" 4k@60 driven from nVidia using prop driver with an Openbox at the Window manager. It is working great. Super fast, super snappy, fonts look fantastic. Same goes for video. I have one monitor dedicated to code, one monitor monitor dedicated to logs ( 6-10 tmux windows ) and one monitor used as a general workspace.
- Fnoord 7y ago
  Nvidia proprietary plus Wayland is a no-go as of now. My solution to Nvidia is "just use AMD". They got decent offers for low and mid end.
  - notyourday 7y ago
    Open source nvidia driver leaves quite a lot to be desired. In my setup it crashed/locked up at least weekly.
fortran77 7y ago
I'm running a 4K laptop -- a Lenovo C940 and it looks _beautiful_ on Windows. And the dpi is greater than the Mac's "retina" display on laptop.
- samatman 7y ago
  If it looks as good in person as it looks on paper, that's a seriously attractive laptop. Pity it seems to top out at 4 cores and 16GB RAM though. I might have to take a hard look at that series once it refreshes to i9... How do you feel about the touchpad?
  - fortran77 7y ago
    There's an i9 8-core model (on the 15.6 inch model). That's the one I got. I agree that the 16 GB max is disappointing. No problems with touchpad, though I'm used to Windows laptops (I don't use Macs)

I am still traped into the mess Linux wayland has brought and all I see is a blurry algamation of nlurry fonts surrounded by blurry images. The Linux desktop is dead.

maxmouchet 7y ago

Which distro./desktop environment are you using? I'm running a dual screen setup (laptop + 4k screen over DP) with fractional scaling on the laptop screen (150%). This works pretty well in Fedora 31, no blurred text. AFAIK different scaling parameters on different screens are not supported by Xorg, so I'm pretty happy with Wayland.

jhoechtl 7y ago
Kde Plasma Wayland with fractional scaling set to 125%. My workhorse applications are Libreoffice, Firefox and Thunderbird. Each and every of these applications is blurry as hell. My eyes hurt. True that the multi-monitor experience with mixed scaling factors per display under Wayland is better, that's why I am still suffering of that stockholm syndrom. Gnome does better, I acknowledge that, but their opinionated UI decisions make me feel like a retard.
- Vogtinator 7y ago
  That's because those applications use XWayland, which means Wayland scaling has no effect and it scales the pixmaps instead. Try export GDK_BACKEND=wayland.

horsawlarway 7y ago

Not at all my experience. Honestly, wayland has been an incredibly sharp improvement over x for me. Arch running Gnome on Wayland just freaking works. Input is miles better. Output is miles better. I run two 4k displays and the internal display is 1920x1080. Even dragging windows between the external and internal monitor, with different scaling factors works SO much better.

tinus_hn 7y ago

Yeah that never happens on Windows..

proverbialbunny 7y ago

That's odd. Maybe it's your hardware or your setup or something. I'm on Linux, and as long as I have screen composition on in the NVidia Settings Panel and software vsync off, 4k60 is as smooth as butter and as sharp as 4k, much like OSX. It's nicer than Windows.

384028345 7y ago
Thank you for that tip. I had a lot of screen tearing before I enabled that option. Do you have "Force Full Comoposition Pipeline" enabled or just "Force Composition Pipeline"? EDIT: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/NVIDIA/Troubleshooting#Avoid_screen_tearing https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/NVIDIA/Troubleshooting#... That's helpful! :)

notyourday 7y ago

I played with Wayland and decided it is not for me. I'm running 3x 28" 4k@60 driven from nVidia using prop driver with an Openbox at the Window manager. It is working great. Super fast, super snappy, fonts look fantastic. Same goes for video. I have one monitor dedicated to code, one monitor monitor dedicated to logs ( 6-10 tmux windows ) and one monitor used as a general workspace.

Fnoord 7y ago
Nvidia proprietary plus Wayland is a no-go as of now. My solution to Nvidia is "just use AMD". They got decent offers for low and mid end.
- notyourday 7y ago
  Open source nvidia driver leaves quite a lot to be desired. In my setup it crashed/locked up at least weekly.

fortran77 7y ago

I'm running a 4K laptop -- a Lenovo C940 and it looks _beautiful_ on Windows. And the dpi is greater than the Mac's "retina" display on laptop.

samatman 7y ago
If it looks as good in person as it looks on paper, that's a seriously attractive laptop. Pity it seems to top out at 4 cores and 16GB RAM though. I might have to take a hard look at that series once it refreshes to i9... How do you feel about the touchpad?
- fortran77 7y ago
  There's an i9 8-core model (on the 15.6 inch model). That's the one I got. I agree that the 16 GB max is disappointing. No problems with touchpad, though I'm used to Windows laptops (I don't use Macs)