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A sibling post noticed it seems to be an abbreviation related to electrical lights, but it is worth mentioning that Svetlana is just a common name. Like say, Je

by rdtsc 7y ago

A sibling post noticed it seems to be an abbreviation related to electrical lights, but it is worth mentioning that Svetlana is just a common name. Like say, Jenny or Stacy. A few my teachers had that name, for example. The shortened version, "Sveta" is also common. It would be different, for example, if it was an extremely rare name shared with Stalin's daughter.

FillardMillmore 7y ago
Yes, it would appear it is a common name in Russia. Though, in the late '70s (and perhaps even now), I believe Stalin's daughter was still the most famous person bearing the name. And me being ignorant of both this particular factory and its origins couldn't help but wonder (knowing the Soviet propensity for naming things in honor of the leaders - e.g. Stalingrad, Leningrad, etc.) if there happened to be any relation.
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- pandaman 7y ago
  I can see how you could get confused. "Svetlana" is a strange name since it hasn't been used to name real people until early 20th century. The most famous Svetlana had always been the character from the eponimous poem. The name had been used to name things, places and literally characters but not real people since it has not been recognized by the Church. So, in a sense, it is the Stalin's daughter who is named after the factory.
- anticodon 7y ago
  In Soviet Union places were named in honor of the people that did something good for the country. Stalin's daughter didn't do anything significant in her life - why would anyone name anything in honor of her????? People in the West has so perverse understanding of Russian/Soviet realities due to exorbitant amount of anti-Russian and especially anti-Soviet propaganda. I wonder if there was even a single positive thing ever published on the West about USSR. And people laugh at me when I say I don't believe any news (they believe they're becoming enlightened by reading or watching fake news which is any news source).
  - FillardMillmore 7y ago
    I see the ignorance of my question now - essentially the question was borne out of a lack of knowledge about how common the name 'Svetlana' is. The only 'Svetlana' I knew about was Stalin's daughter. My brain made a connection where one didn't exist. You are most certainly correct about the lack of understanding in the West about Russian/Soviet realities. Do you have any books you'd recommend to aid in an understanding of this? I recently picked up 'Everyday Stalinism' by Sheila Fitzpatrick - focusing on the lives of the average person during Stalin's time in power but it certainly casts a more negative light on this time than positive. With that said, I'd be more than interested in reading accounts that cast a more positive light on things. I've also read 'Khrushchev Lied' by Grover Furr - this book focuses more on half-truths and omissions of truth made in Khrushchev's secret speech about Stalin. Reading about Grover's history, it would seem he is not entirely unbiased but there were details in there that gave pause for thought. As for whether there was anything positive published in the West about the USSR, have you heard about Walter Duranty's writing for the New York Times and the subsequent Pulitzer Prize? That is, of course, a somewhat facetious example. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Duranty https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Duranty There were certainly positive things written about the USSR during the war (as they became allies with Western forces), with Stalin being affectionately called 'Uncle Joe' - things of course got less positive during the Cold War and the Red Scare. Are there no news sources you trust? Aren't there news reports that cite primary evidence that you would deem as trustworthy? And if you don't get your current info from news sources, where do you get it from?
    - anticodon 7y ago
      I do not know any truthful books about Soviet history, especially in English. We lost the cold war and winners always write the history. So even in contemporary books in Russian there's all kinds of nonsense about Soviet history. I was a teenager when USSR collapsed so I can only guess from my own short experience living in USSR and from tales of my parents and grandparents. It's radically different from anything you can find in any book. Memories of horrible years of "freedom" are brighter though. We had nothing to eat (millions died because of hunger but nobody cares, there's no Amnesty International to punish somebody for this), but were inundated in a flood of all kinds of bullshit. Soros-published books for the schools that contained nothing but lies about history and economics. Good and enlightening Soviet science shows were replaced with gross shows showing nudity and all kinds of fake science (psychics, UFO freaks, etc). Academics running the old shows said that they were closed specifically by request from the very top. Same for education: it was deliberately destroyed by direct guidance of US advisers. But we're still struggling... But I do not know if there's a book about it. It's a taboo theme both here and especially on the West. Everybody just reinforces the same old meme how "repressive" was Soviet society and how everybody was happy to become free (just conveniently omit the ending: "free from education, free from having work, free from having enough food, free from having self-esteem"). Regarding news: I simply avoid consuming any news. I do not want to receive anything from news. I don't need it. I work as a developer, in my job it's not necessary to know the "news". They doesn't affect my life much and even if they does, there's nothing I can do about it. All the news I consume against my will (by browsing social media where it's almost impossible to avoid seeing shared articles). So my ultimate goal is to stop consuming social media as well, but I lack the willpower. I also believe that it's good to know what is happening around IT (new languages, frameworks, etc) but all IT sources also publish lots of news about current politics (e.g. witch hunt against Huawei), so it seems as almost impossible to avoid news.

by rdtsc 7y ago

FillardMillmore 7y ago

Yes, it would appear it is a common name in Russia. Though, in the late '70s (and perhaps even now), I believe Stalin's daughter was still the most famous person bearing the name. And me being ignorant of both this particular factory and its origins couldn't help but wonder (knowing the Soviet propensity for naming things in honor of the leaders - e.g. Stalingrad, Leningrad, etc.) if there happened to be any relation.

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pandaman 7y ago
I can see how you could get confused. "Svetlana" is a strange name since it hasn't been used to name real people until early 20th century. The most famous Svetlana had always been the character from the eponimous poem. The name had been used to name things, places and literally characters but not real people since it has not been recognized by the Church. So, in a sense, it is the Stalin's daughter who is named after the factory.
anticodon 7y ago
In Soviet Union places were named in honor of the people that did something good for the country. Stalin's daughter didn't do anything significant in her life - why would anyone name anything in honor of her????? People in the West has so perverse understanding of Russian/Soviet realities due to exorbitant amount of anti-Russian and especially anti-Soviet propaganda. I wonder if there was even a single positive thing ever published on the West about USSR. And people laugh at me when I say I don't believe any news (they believe they're becoming enlightened by reading or watching fake news which is any news source).
- FillardMillmore 7y ago
  I see the ignorance of my question now - essentially the question was borne out of a lack of knowledge about how common the name 'Svetlana' is. The only 'Svetlana' I knew about was Stalin's daughter. My brain made a connection where one didn't exist. You are most certainly correct about the lack of understanding in the West about Russian/Soviet realities. Do you have any books you'd recommend to aid in an understanding of this? I recently picked up 'Everyday Stalinism' by Sheila Fitzpatrick - focusing on the lives of the average person during Stalin's time in power but it certainly casts a more negative light on this time than positive. With that said, I'd be more than interested in reading accounts that cast a more positive light on things. I've also read 'Khrushchev Lied' by Grover Furr - this book focuses more on half-truths and omissions of truth made in Khrushchev's secret speech about Stalin. Reading about Grover's history, it would seem he is not entirely unbiased but there were details in there that gave pause for thought. As for whether there was anything positive published in the West about the USSR, have you heard about Walter Duranty's writing for the New York Times and the subsequent Pulitzer Prize? That is, of course, a somewhat facetious example. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Duranty https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Duranty There were certainly positive things written about the USSR during the war (as they became allies with Western forces), with Stalin being affectionately called 'Uncle Joe' - things of course got less positive during the Cold War and the Red Scare. Are there no news sources you trust? Aren't there news reports that cite primary evidence that you would deem as trustworthy? And if you don't get your current info from news sources, where do you get it from?
  - anticodon 7y ago
    I do not know any truthful books about Soviet history, especially in English. We lost the cold war and winners always write the history. So even in contemporary books in Russian there's all kinds of nonsense about Soviet history. I was a teenager when USSR collapsed so I can only guess from my own short experience living in USSR and from tales of my parents and grandparents. It's radically different from anything you can find in any book. Memories of horrible years of "freedom" are brighter though. We had nothing to eat (millions died because of hunger but nobody cares, there's no Amnesty International to punish somebody for this), but were inundated in a flood of all kinds of bullshit. Soros-published books for the schools that contained nothing but lies about history and economics. Good and enlightening Soviet science shows were replaced with gross shows showing nudity and all kinds of fake science (psychics, UFO freaks, etc). Academics running the old shows said that they were closed specifically by request from the very top. Same for education: it was deliberately destroyed by direct guidance of US advisers. But we're still struggling... But I do not know if there's a book about it. It's a taboo theme both here and especially on the West. Everybody just reinforces the same old meme how "repressive" was Soviet society and how everybody was happy to become free (just conveniently omit the ending: "free from education, free from having work, free from having enough food, free from having self-esteem"). Regarding news: I simply avoid consuming any news. I do not want to receive anything from news. I don't need it. I work as a developer, in my job it's not necessary to know the "news". They doesn't affect my life much and even if they does, there's nothing I can do about it. All the news I consume against my will (by browsing social media where it's almost impossible to avoid seeing shared articles). So my ultimate goal is to stop consuming social media as well, but I lack the willpower. I also believe that it's good to know what is happening around IT (new languages, frameworks, etc) but all IT sources also publish lots of news about current politics (e.g. witch hunt against Huawei), so it seems as almost impossible to avoid news.