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I think these kinds of opinions are really dangerous–we cannot just expect society to go back to the stone age. It's why the average human is blocking climate c

I think these kinds of opinions are really dangerous–we cannot just expect society to go back to the stone age. It's why the average human is blocking climate change out, the changes have to come in the form of e.g. CO2 taxes and broad regulation. Climate is not the responsibility of the individual citizen. It's bad enough as it is, we don't need to feel guilty every day about small things like using a plastic straw when the scale of the problem is so mind-bogglingly large

tdstein 7y ago
Sharing shit information like this is why the average human is blocking climate change out. No one is suggesting going back to the Stone Age. Your plastic straw use isn’t warming the planet. But, you should consider the impact flying a jet has on the earth.
- kirstenbirgit 7y ago
  Is that your argument? Noone is perfect. Greta eschewed the plane for a yacht, and guess what, people like you are still complaining. This is why people are blocking it out and are angry at her. How the can anyone win with this logic? We can't just shame ourselves into fixing the climate. Broad regulation is the only way this will get solved. It can't be up to each individual person to save the climate. If that's your solution, we're even more fucked than we currently are. Even if everybody stopped flying or eating ribeyes or whatever, there's still a huge amount of carbon that needs to be sucked out of the atmosphere, and plenty of extremely large sources of carbon and methane that are still there. The world is going to shit and you want me to eschew the tiny bit of enjoyment I have left in the hopes that everybody else does the same thing? Not gonna happen.
- jschwartzi 7y ago
  Or eating meat. Or drinking milk. Or eating cheese. or eating corn. Or the thousand and one little things that you can do to vote with your wallet. And remember the point of the exercise doesn't have to be to stop doing it completely, but to do less of it and to consider whether you really want or need that. It's a far cry between maybe ordering the 8 oz instead of the 12 oz steak versus burning your house down and knapping flints for the rest of your days.
  - selectstatement 7y ago
    Why can't I just keep doing whatever I want and offset my carbon like these kinds of initiatives do?
    - ericd 7y ago
      Go for it. Just keep in mind that some forms of offsets are more effective than others.
paddz420 7y ago
One thing we need to stop completely is emissions trading and carbon offsetting. Carbon emissions have to be decreased drastically by most large corporations and offsetting and trading does not reduce emissions & allows corporations and governments to greenwash constantly. Here in New Zealand the governments is praised as being pro environment when it is all just greenwashing. They are portrayed as left leaning when they are neo-liberal aka climate change denying capatilists. They don't understand economic prosperity and environmental sustainability are mutually exclusive.

tdstein 7y ago

Sharing shit information like this is why the average human is blocking climate change out. No one is suggesting going back to the Stone Age. Your plastic straw use isn’t warming the planet. But, you should consider the impact flying a jet has on the earth.

kirstenbirgit 7y ago
Is that your argument? Noone is perfect. Greta eschewed the plane for a yacht, and guess what, people like you are still complaining. This is why people are blocking it out and are angry at her. How the can anyone win with this logic? We can't just shame ourselves into fixing the climate. Broad regulation is the only way this will get solved. It can't be up to each individual person to save the climate. If that's your solution, we're even more fucked than we currently are. Even if everybody stopped flying or eating ribeyes or whatever, there's still a huge amount of carbon that needs to be sucked out of the atmosphere, and plenty of extremely large sources of carbon and methane that are still there. The world is going to shit and you want me to eschew the tiny bit of enjoyment I have left in the hopes that everybody else does the same thing? Not gonna happen.
jschwartzi 7y ago
Or eating meat. Or drinking milk. Or eating cheese. or eating corn. Or the thousand and one little things that you can do to vote with your wallet. And remember the point of the exercise doesn't have to be to stop doing it completely, but to do less of it and to consider whether you really want or need that. It's a far cry between maybe ordering the 8 oz instead of the 12 oz steak versus burning your house down and knapping flints for the rest of your days.
- selectstatement 7y ago
  Why can't I just keep doing whatever I want and offset my carbon like these kinds of initiatives do?
  - ericd 7y ago
    Go for it. Just keep in mind that some forms of offsets are more effective than others.

paddz420 7y ago

One thing we need to stop completely is emissions trading and carbon offsetting. Carbon emissions have to be decreased drastically by most large corporations and offsetting and trading does not reduce emissions & allows corporations and governments to greenwash constantly. Here in New Zealand the governments is praised as being pro environment when it is all just greenwashing. They are portrayed as left leaning when they are neo-liberal aka climate change denying capatilists. They don't understand economic prosperity and environmental sustainability are mutually exclusive.