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Where does the $70M figure come from? Not challenging you, just want to be able to cite toe source myself. This is outrageous.

krschultz 16y ago
Is it? Thats $87 per citizen in SF. That accounts for 0.39% of my taxes in a given year, and I don't even make that much money because I just graduated college.
- jonknee 16y ago
  You're paying $22k in city taxes a year and don't consider yourself making much money?
  - krschultz 16y ago
    "My taxes" != city taxes, but you probably already knew that and are trying to pivot the argument to be about me instead of about my point. That is usually a sign you can't argue my point. I'm saying, $87 a year out of my taxes is a tiny amount when you consider what you pay for other things. How much do you spend a year on defense? Since the effective tax rate is around 30% (roughly) and the defense budget is around 20% of the federal budget (roughly), I pay around 52x more for defense than for helping homeless people in a given year. Is defense 52x more important than social services? And I say this being a defense contractor who entire livelyhood depends on taxes and the military industrial complex.
    - jonknee 16y ago
      Considering the discussion was about what SF pays, I think talking about what you pay in SF taxes would make sense. But hey, that's just me.
      - krschultz 16y ago
        Do you really think that the city budget is self-funded? I don't live in SF but in NYC a huge portion of the budget comes from state and federal grants. That is true even on the local town level. Almost all of the money sent to the federal and state governments is handed back down the chain with strings and stipulations attached. Otherwise, what would the state be doing? If the state spends a bunch of money on roads, it spends it on roads in towns. You might be driving down the street in your town seeing construction, but that money came from state taxes not town taxes. The same goes for programs big and samll. Medicaid is money collected on the federal level, but paid out on the state level.
ajays 16y ago
Oops, I was wrong. The figure is actually $150 million: http://articles.sfgate.com/2010-09-27/bay-area/24099065_1_homeless-problem-supportive-housing-permanent-housing http://articles.sfgate.com/2010-09-27/bay-area/24099065_1_ho... It is outrageous indeed. Every time I walk by a homeless person sleeping in the cold on the sidewalk, I am reminded of this figure.

krschultz 16y ago

Is it? Thats $87 per citizen in SF. That accounts for 0.39% of my taxes in a given year, and I don't even make that much money because I just graduated college.

jonknee 16y ago
You're paying $22k in city taxes a year and don't consider yourself making much money?
- krschultz 16y ago
  "My taxes" != city taxes, but you probably already knew that and are trying to pivot the argument to be about me instead of about my point. That is usually a sign you can't argue my point. I'm saying, $87 a year out of my taxes is a tiny amount when you consider what you pay for other things. How much do you spend a year on defense? Since the effective tax rate is around 30% (roughly) and the defense budget is around 20% of the federal budget (roughly), I pay around 52x more for defense than for helping homeless people in a given year. Is defense 52x more important than social services? And I say this being a defense contractor who entire livelyhood depends on taxes and the military industrial complex.
  - jonknee 16y ago
    Considering the discussion was about what SF pays, I think talking about what you pay in SF taxes would make sense. But hey, that's just me.
    - krschultz 16y ago
      Do you really think that the city budget is self-funded? I don't live in SF but in NYC a huge portion of the budget comes from state and federal grants. That is true even on the local town level. Almost all of the money sent to the federal and state governments is handed back down the chain with strings and stipulations attached. Otherwise, what would the state be doing? If the state spends a bunch of money on roads, it spends it on roads in towns. You might be driving down the street in your town seeing construction, but that money came from state taxes not town taxes. The same goes for programs big and samll. Medicaid is money collected on the federal level, but paid out on the state level.

ajays 16y ago

Oops, I was wrong. The figure is actually $150 million: http://articles.sfgate.com/2010-09-27/bay-area/24099065_1_homeless-problem-supportive-housing-permanent-housing http://articles.sfgate.com/2010-09-27/bay-area/24099065_1_ho... It is outrageous indeed. Every time I walk by a homeless person sleeping in the cold on the sidewalk, I am reminded of this figure.