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One should note that if you pull the site up in IE it still uses flash, which means we still need flash. Unless you're willing to say goodbye to 40% of your cus
by fleitz 16y ago
One should note that if you pull the site up in IE it still uses flash, which means we still need flash. Unless you're willing to say goodbye to 40% of your customers.
- Yaggo 16y agoGraceful degradation / progressive enhancement anyone? (Btw, Raphaël supports IE6 too.)
- sunchild 16y agoBoth of these principles are directly responsible for IE6 still being a supported browser.
- eru 16y agoNot really. The uses that make IE6 stick around don't even degrade gracefully on IE6. They only work there.
- 9ec4c12949a4f3 16y agoSomeone wrote a flash -> Raphael library a while ago. Or maybe it was just regular SVG manipulation, I can't find the exact project unfortunately.
- fedd 16y agoi'm in ie and can't see flash...
- r00fus 16y agoIt even pulls up Flash in Safari5 (w/ clicktoflash plugin).
- MediaBehavior 16y agoYes. But I nearly clicked on "clicktoflash" decal because it took a couple seconds to kick in.
- baguasquirrel 16y agoOh whatever. I can see it on me iPad. And iPhone. And Android. Who uses a fucking computer these days anyway? Programmers? ;-)
- extension 16y agoWell, you can see it but you can't really use it. It's brutally unresponsive and you can't scroll the text popups. Kind of a waste to dodge Flash and ignore the biggest reason to do so.
- stcredzero 16y agoYou can scroll the text on the iPad with the buttons. :(
- baguasquirrel 16y agoWait now, hold on a minute. I thought people have been saying that Flash on the Android was horribly slow.
- stcredzero 16y agoIt kinda creaks along on my iPad. For one thing, the site doesn't seem to be nearly as nice about making you wait for buffering video.
- gcb 16y agoAll I get on my nexus one with android 2.2 is a popup "need svg or vml" plus some non-content parts of the site
- injekt 16y agoDepending on the genre of said website, it's unfortunately more likely to be > 60% - Shame, but true
- etherealG 16y agoour 2 biggest customer sites are still closer to the 80% IE mark. sorry to say, but some sectors are still hopelessly dependant on browser plugins :(
- bnastic 16y agoIE8 here at work. There's no Flash from what I can see. Am I missing something? Or are you referring to IE6/7?
- tsycho 16y agoSame here. Tried it on IE6 (stop hating me, my company forces it....I use Chrome otherwise)......doesn't seem to be using Flash.
- Synaesthesia 16y agoWorks great for me in Safari 5, and I've deleted the Flash plugin. Must be graceful degradation, yay for proper design!
- sambeau 16y agoI use ClickToFlash on a Mac and I saw a flash box for a second and then it disappeared and glorious HTML5 replaced it. So it looks like it will use Flash if you have it.
- ramki 16y agodid u try on ie9?
- tomkarlo 16y agoDon't mistake "visitors" for "customers". I'm guessing that you mean 40% of visitors to sites (not the one for the Nissan Leaf) use IE. (Or more specifically IE 6.) I think it's probably a pretty safe bet that folks who are visiting the Nissan Leaf site, and ESPECIALLY folks who would be early adopters and buy an all-electric car, are probably also not rolling around using IE6. (At least, I'd hope not.) Conversely, someone being on an iPad or Android device is probably a pretty decent leading indicator that they're in the demographic that would consider buying a Nissan Leaf.
- lallysingh 16y agoReally? Think crypto-communist ploy-sci professor using their ancient office machine. EV fans come in many stripes.
- tomkarlo 16y agoYeah, I forgot how big that market is. My bad. Seriously though, if you were building this site, I'd suggest you'd probably worry a lot more about how it looks on an iPad than a WinXP box running IE6. The site I work on doesn't even cater to early-adopters the way the Nissan site should, and we have lots more iPad / iPhone / Android traffic than IE6 these days. (And I mean each individually, not in aggregate.)