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So they've open sourced all their clients? The clients weren't the issue. I'm glad to know there is less likely to be a problem with getting data from my comput

So they've open sourced all their clients? The clients weren't the issue. I'm glad to know there is less likely to be a problem with getting data from my computer to their servers ... but what happens on their servers is the issue. How do I know they don't save logs, snoop on data, log DNS requests, etc.? No amount of Open Source software they release will be able to prove that, since we will never know with 100% certainty what software is running on their servers.

Barrin92 7y ago
pretty much by definition you have no idea what happens on someone else's server, it is always a trust issue. the fact that there haven't been any cases involving leaked data is as good as it is going to get. I don't really understand this line of questioning though because the use case of a VPN isn't you hiding Iranian nuclear secrets from the NSA, it's mostly just useful for circumventing region logs or sending DMCA requests to /dev/null
- craftinator 7y ago
  > the fact that there haven't been any cases involving leaked data is as good as it is going to get. No. No proof of leaked data is a basic requirement for trust, but at the end of the day, PIA is now associated with known criminals. Unless they can continuously provide impartial audits of their server operations (they can't), then they have lower trustworthiness than any other VPN I know of.
  - rasengan 7y ago
    Good luck with other VPNs. Let me know how that works out for you. Meanwhile, we will continue to stand true to our principles at PIA as the only proven no log VPN provider. I’m biased because I know PIA doesn’t log, but given all the VPNs caught logging and/or overall operating with remedial practices (IPvanish and PureVPN caught logging, NordVPN using default passwords, etc.), even if I wasn’t biased, I would choose the VPN who has a proven no log policy and proven technical know-how. And that’s Private Internet Access - that won’t be changing while I’m here.
gentleman11 7y ago
This whole situation makes me feel weird and is giving me trust issues and confusion towards VPN providers. Still, being able to compile the client from source is better than not being able to do so.

Barrin92 7y ago

pretty much by definition you have no idea what happens on someone else's server, it is always a trust issue. the fact that there haven't been any cases involving leaked data is as good as it is going to get. I don't really understand this line of questioning though because the use case of a VPN isn't you hiding Iranian nuclear secrets from the NSA, it's mostly just useful for circumventing region logs or sending DMCA requests to /dev/null

craftinator 7y ago
> the fact that there haven't been any cases involving leaked data is as good as it is going to get. No. No proof of leaked data is a basic requirement for trust, but at the end of the day, PIA is now associated with known criminals. Unless they can continuously provide impartial audits of their server operations (they can't), then they have lower trustworthiness than any other VPN I know of.
- rasengan 7y ago
  Good luck with other VPNs. Let me know how that works out for you. Meanwhile, we will continue to stand true to our principles at PIA as the only proven no log VPN provider. I’m biased because I know PIA doesn’t log, but given all the VPNs caught logging and/or overall operating with remedial practices (IPvanish and PureVPN caught logging, NordVPN using default passwords, etc.), even if I wasn’t biased, I would choose the VPN who has a proven no log policy and proven technical know-how. And that’s Private Internet Access - that won’t be changing while I’m here.

gentleman11 7y ago

This whole situation makes me feel weird and is giving me trust issues and confusion towards VPN providers. Still, being able to compile the client from source is better than not being able to do so.