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> Microsoft will just offer Windows for free Which... doesn’t have a really incentive now in because all of the legacy components that required Windows in the

> Microsoft will just offer Windows for free Which... doesn’t have a really incentive now in because all of the legacy components that required Windows in the first place are all broken on Win10... > Office at a steep discount ... and we don’t really rely on Microsoft Office that much (compared to other countries). The dominant word processor is from a local company (side note: Word is just awful... seriously. Maybe it’s due to no competition., and the local company has viable solutions that provide very high compatibility (seriously, l just can’t believe how they did it, it’s super compatible) with Word, Excel & Powerpoint. (AFAIK they export them to other countries governments as well.)

what-the-grump 7y ago
No idea where you are getting any of this from... A little hard to complain when we can take dlls that are 10-12 years old shove them into something like server 2019/SQL 2019, and not think about compatibility. Same goes for client apps, was your app shit 10 years ago? It's not going to change 10 years later. Did it work in word 10 years ago, it will most likely work 10 years later with zero changes.
- hutzlibu 7y ago
  ActiveX. See other comments here
oblio 7y ago
Are you telling me no one in South Korea uses Photoshop, InDesign, professional video editing software or generally any kind of pro software that doesn't run on Linux?
- pcr910303 7y ago
  > no one in South Korea uses Photoshop, InDesign, professional video editing software or generally any kind of pro software that doesn't run on Linux Of course not! :-) I don’t run Linux myself for these reasons... but the government agency PCs has no requirement to run these. The officials shouldn’t run useless programs on work, right? :-)
  - oblio 7y ago
    You mean that no one in the South Korean government does any kind of professional photo editing (or any other kind of high level professional desktop work)? It could make sense if they outsource all of that. But I doubt that out of millions of people, 100% are just low level clerks typing in forms receive from the public.
    - pcr910303 7y ago
      There must be people doing that, but it's not the majority. Which means that the majority of the people can just go along with Linux without Photoshop. If there are people who need them, they can use a Windows PC. Also, as a side point, AFAIK all of the operating systems that are mentioned in the article has native support for executing Windows applications using Wine - as there are still programs that only support Windows. Unlike other Linux distributions where Wine is a second level citizen, the distributions have preinstalled Wine wrappers for the dominant IM in South Korea so if the government wants it, wrapping up a version of Photoshop that works on Wine won't be that hard.
    - modo_mario 7y ago
      Those people that require adobe shit are probably very rare and can still just use windows, mac a VM, Wine or an alternative like krita, inkscape or what have you. And there's probably more work like that for local governments and smaller agencies but then those either already make do with some "marta from accounting made a poster in word" type of design or outsource it since it doesn't make sense to keep someone around permanently.
meeebooo 7y ago
But how will Martha in Accounting (or whatever the Korean equivalent of Martha in Accounting is) learn how to deal with the UX terribleness that is most of Linux? Windows she's been using all of her life, it might not be much better but she's used to it.
- pcr910303 7y ago
  > But how will <someone> learn how to deal with the UX terribleness that is most of Linux? They learnt to deal with the terrible UX in Windows, no reason they can’t on Linux. :-) > it might not be much better but she's used to it. It’s her work, she better get used to it too keep working; That’s a pretty compelling reason to get used to Linux, right?
  - mr_toad 7y ago
    > They learnt to deal with the terrible UX in Windows, no reason they can’t on Linux. :-) They could, but they won’t. They want Outlook and Word and Excel, and they’ll exhibit a mule-like stubbornness to budge.
    - pcr910303 7y ago
      > They want Outlook and Word and Excel I’ve mentioned that we don’t use Word, (BTW, seriously, is there anyone who uses Outlook anymore?) and the dominant word processor used in South Korea had a port to Linux that is fully featured and has a very high compatibility since 2008.
      - eropple 7y ago
        > (BTW, seriously, is there anyone who uses Outlook anymore?) Outlook is still huge amongst professions that have to deal with people a lot. The calendaring is better than online solutions (by a lot) and the plugins, I am told, for stuff like Salesforce are awesome.
    - GoblinSlayer 7y ago
      >They want Outlook and Word and Excel They are redesigned every version though, there's nothing fixed to want from them.

what-the-grump 7y ago

No idea where you are getting any of this from... A little hard to complain when we can take dlls that are 10-12 years old shove them into something like server 2019/SQL 2019, and not think about compatibility. Same goes for client apps, was your app shit 10 years ago? It's not going to change 10 years later. Did it work in word 10 years ago, it will most likely work 10 years later with zero changes.

hutzlibu 7y ago
ActiveX. See other comments here

oblio 7y ago

Are you telling me no one in South Korea uses Photoshop, InDesign, professional video editing software or generally any kind of pro software that doesn't run on Linux?

pcr910303 7y ago
> no one in South Korea uses Photoshop, InDesign, professional video editing software or generally any kind of pro software that doesn't run on Linux Of course not! :-) I don’t run Linux myself for these reasons... but the government agency PCs has no requirement to run these. The officials shouldn’t run useless programs on work, right? :-)
- oblio 7y ago
  You mean that no one in the South Korean government does any kind of professional photo editing (or any other kind of high level professional desktop work)? It could make sense if they outsource all of that. But I doubt that out of millions of people, 100% are just low level clerks typing in forms receive from the public.
  - pcr910303 7y ago
    There must be people doing that, but it's not the majority. Which means that the majority of the people can just go along with Linux without Photoshop. If there are people who need them, they can use a Windows PC. Also, as a side point, AFAIK all of the operating systems that are mentioned in the article has native support for executing Windows applications using Wine - as there are still programs that only support Windows. Unlike other Linux distributions where Wine is a second level citizen, the distributions have preinstalled Wine wrappers for the dominant IM in South Korea so if the government wants it, wrapping up a version of Photoshop that works on Wine won't be that hard.
  - modo_mario 7y ago
    Those people that require adobe shit are probably very rare and can still just use windows, mac a VM, Wine or an alternative like krita, inkscape or what have you. And there's probably more work like that for local governments and smaller agencies but then those either already make do with some "marta from accounting made a poster in word" type of design or outsource it since it doesn't make sense to keep someone around permanently.

meeebooo 7y ago

But how will Martha in Accounting (or whatever the Korean equivalent of Martha in Accounting is) learn how to deal with the UX terribleness that is most of Linux? Windows she's been using all of her life, it might not be much better but she's used to it.

pcr910303 7y ago
> But how will <someone> learn how to deal with the UX terribleness that is most of Linux? They learnt to deal with the terrible UX in Windows, no reason they can’t on Linux. :-) > it might not be much better but she's used to it. It’s her work, she better get used to it too keep working; That’s a pretty compelling reason to get used to Linux, right?
- mr_toad 7y ago
  > They learnt to deal with the terrible UX in Windows, no reason they can’t on Linux. :-) They could, but they won’t. They want Outlook and Word and Excel, and they’ll exhibit a mule-like stubbornness to budge.
  - pcr910303 7y ago
    > They want Outlook and Word and Excel I’ve mentioned that we don’t use Word, (BTW, seriously, is there anyone who uses Outlook anymore?) and the dominant word processor used in South Korea had a port to Linux that is fully featured and has a very high compatibility since 2008.
    - eropple 7y ago
      > (BTW, seriously, is there anyone who uses Outlook anymore?) Outlook is still huge amongst professions that have to deal with people a lot. The calendaring is better than online solutions (by a lot) and the plugins, I am told, for stuff like Salesforce are awesome.
  - GoblinSlayer 7y ago
    >They want Outlook and Word and Excel They are redesigned every version though, there's nothing fixed to want from them.