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I'm saying that's already how it is, and that it might as well be made official, i.e. law. To be clear here, I tried to do this, and all it earned me was ostra

I'm saying that's already how it is, and that it might as well be made official, i.e. law. To be clear here, I tried to do this, and all it earned me was ostracism. It is not a virtuous act at all, despite what some may like to give you the impression of. In Finland, Internet access is considered to be a human right, and it's not feasible to do a lot of things otherwise, such as banking errands. Considering Facebook == the Internet to many people, I don't see why the same rules can't apply there.

type0 7y ago
> In Finland, Internet access is considered to be a human right Can Facebook be voted into a law where it is considered to be a human right? It's possible, but before that ever happens chases are much bigger that scientology becomes official religion and everyone will mutate to look like Moomins.
CaptainZapp 7y ago
You're shifting goal posts. You're moving the discussion from "You must sign on to Facebook to participate in society" to "[In Finland] internet usage is considered a human right" By essentially changing your argument and implying something which I never said and which has nothing to do with what I said you invalidate your argument. And that "neat trick" (which is pretty transparent, alas) makes you intellectually dishonest. I think we can close the discussion here. Thanks for playing.
- heartbeats 7y ago
  I wasn't trying to move the goalposts, and I find your accusation rude. If using the Internet is considered a human right in Finland, it stands to reason you must use the Internet to participate in society. If Facebook equals the Internet, then you need to use Facebook to participate in society. That you need use Facebook in order to participate in society also seems rather obvious - a great deal of events are only announced there, so you have to use it if you want to know what's going on. If that claim is correct, then it seems like it would be a good idea to inform people about it, so that they do not make the same mistake I did and think that you can opt out of Facebook. And if people do make this choice, knowing full well that they will be ostracized over it, then I believe that by definition makes them antisocial - the claim made in my initial post.
  - dang 7y ago
    If you continue to stoke flamewars on HN, we're going to have to ban you.
- dang 7y ago
  You broke the site guidelines repeatedly in this thread. Please don't perpetuate flamewars or be a jerk in comments here, regardless of how wrong or irritating another user is, or you feel they are. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

type0 7y ago

> In Finland, Internet access is considered to be a human right Can Facebook be voted into a law where it is considered to be a human right? It's possible, but before that ever happens chases are much bigger that scientology becomes official religion and everyone will mutate to look like Moomins.

CaptainZapp 7y ago

You're shifting goal posts. You're moving the discussion from "You must sign on to Facebook to participate in society" to "[In Finland] internet usage is considered a human right" By essentially changing your argument and implying something which I never said and which has nothing to do with what I said you invalidate your argument. And that "neat trick" (which is pretty transparent, alas) makes you intellectually dishonest. I think we can close the discussion here. Thanks for playing.

heartbeats 7y ago
I wasn't trying to move the goalposts, and I find your accusation rude. If using the Internet is considered a human right in Finland, it stands to reason you must use the Internet to participate in society. If Facebook equals the Internet, then you need to use Facebook to participate in society. That you need use Facebook in order to participate in society also seems rather obvious - a great deal of events are only announced there, so you have to use it if you want to know what's going on. If that claim is correct, then it seems like it would be a good idea to inform people about it, so that they do not make the same mistake I did and think that you can opt out of Facebook. And if people do make this choice, knowing full well that they will be ostracized over it, then I believe that by definition makes them antisocial - the claim made in my initial post.
- dang 7y ago
  If you continue to stoke flamewars on HN, we're going to have to ban you.
dang 7y ago
You broke the site guidelines repeatedly in this thread. Please don't perpetuate flamewars or be a jerk in comments here, regardless of how wrong or irritating another user is, or you feel they are. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html