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Let's not kid ourselves about the safety or comprehensiveness of android permissions, or people clicking without reading. To be clear, I'm not claiming it does

by labawi 7y ago

Let's not kid ourselves about the safety or comprehensiveness of android permissions, or people clicking without reading. To be clear, I'm not claiming it does those things, but are you claiming it does not? And will not or could not?

lathiat 7y ago
Maybe you should try iOS :-) it’s quite different here honestly. I’m not saying there aren’t holes they’ve had to patch [like recently adding a popup for Bluetooth LE permissions] but they are pretty good at closing them.
- luma 7y ago
  I don't see how the permissions requested here would be substantially different in IOS. This isn't a matter of the OS, both Android and IOS offer fine-grained controls that are accessible to the user. It's up to the application developer what they request and what they do with it. I think people are right not to trust Tencent with this kind of access.
  - JimDabell 7y ago
    > both Android and IOS offer fine-grained controls that are accessible to the user. iOS doesn't allow apps to read the user's phone number or scan local Wi-Fi access points. The only files sandboxed apps can read on iOS are ones created by the app, explicitly passed to the app, or made available by the user, which is also possible on the web. The only thing mentioned that has the slightest bit of merit is being able to spam push notifications, and this is something that a) requires the user to grant permission, b) is easily disabled by the user if it's annoying, and c) explicitly forbidden by Apple: > 4.5.3 Do not use Apple Services to spam, phish, or send unsolicited messages to customers, including Game Center, Push Notifications, etc. […] > 4.5.4 Push Notifications must not be required for the app to function, and should not be used for advertising, promotions, or direct marketing purposes or to send sensitive personal or confidential information. Abuse of these services may result in revocation of your privileges.
- bla3 7y ago
  App permissions may be better than on Android, but browser choice just doesn't exist on iOS. So suggesting iOS to people who'd rather use the web page than the app seems a bit strange.
  - teh_infallible 7y ago
    Browser choice does exist on iOS. I use Brave.
    - the8472 7y ago
      All browsers on iphones are reskinned webkits.
      - samatman 7y ago
        Brave is reskinned Chromium everywhere else, and reskinned Webkit on iOS. People who use Brave use it for reasons other than access to a unique rendering engine. Many of those reasons apply to the iOS version as well. Not making a case for Apple's decision here. I'd be happy if Gecko were available on iOS; there's no way I'd burn my battery like that, but competition is good. But it's not as simple as "there's one browser on iOS" either, the rendering engine is just one part of what makes a browser unique and useful.

by labawi 7y ago

lathiat 7y ago

Maybe you should try iOS :-) it’s quite different here honestly. I’m not saying there aren’t holes they’ve had to patch [like recently adding a popup for Bluetooth LE permissions] but they are pretty good at closing them.

luma 7y ago
I don't see how the permissions requested here would be substantially different in IOS. This isn't a matter of the OS, both Android and IOS offer fine-grained controls that are accessible to the user. It's up to the application developer what they request and what they do with it. I think people are right not to trust Tencent with this kind of access.
- JimDabell 7y ago
  > both Android and IOS offer fine-grained controls that are accessible to the user. iOS doesn't allow apps to read the user's phone number or scan local Wi-Fi access points. The only files sandboxed apps can read on iOS are ones created by the app, explicitly passed to the app, or made available by the user, which is also possible on the web. The only thing mentioned that has the slightest bit of merit is being able to spam push notifications, and this is something that a) requires the user to grant permission, b) is easily disabled by the user if it's annoying, and c) explicitly forbidden by Apple: > 4.5.3 Do not use Apple Services to spam, phish, or send unsolicited messages to customers, including Game Center, Push Notifications, etc. […] > 4.5.4 Push Notifications must not be required for the app to function, and should not be used for advertising, promotions, or direct marketing purposes or to send sensitive personal or confidential information. Abuse of these services may result in revocation of your privileges.
bla3 7y ago
App permissions may be better than on Android, but browser choice just doesn't exist on iOS. So suggesting iOS to people who'd rather use the web page than the app seems a bit strange.
- teh_infallible 7y ago
  Browser choice does exist on iOS. I use Brave.
  - the8472 7y ago
    All browsers on iphones are reskinned webkits.
    - samatman 7y ago
      Brave is reskinned Chromium everywhere else, and reskinned Webkit on iOS. People who use Brave use it for reasons other than access to a unique rendering engine. Many of those reasons apply to the iOS version as well. Not making a case for Apple's decision here. I'd be happy if Gecko were available on iOS; there's no way I'd burn my battery like that, but competition is good. But it's not as simple as "there's one browser on iOS" either, the rendering engine is just one part of what makes a browser unique and useful.