There's no perfect community physically either. Utopias usually devolve into cults. And even an honest and heartfelt kibbutz has to deal with local authorities

There's no perfect community physically either. Utopias usually devolve into cults. And even an honest and heartfelt kibbutz has to deal with local authorities and the shit show above them. It's set theory, really. Every community is analagous to a set other than V. Since V is not Utopia, every community has poor conditions in some ancestral superset, which inevitably rain down on them. "You might be able to control local conditions, but that doesn't rule out a meteor from afar" - Michael Scott