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So _why_ if it works for 80% of polled people does it keep being touted as it resulting in bankruptcy consistently?

by cheez 7y ago

lifeformed 7y ago
The other 20% is a lot of people.
- xeromal 7y ago
  Yup, the US is the 3rd most populated country on the planet.
dahfizz 7y ago
The same reason that guns result in 1% of deaths but you hear about them constantly. It makes for a good news program.
- allover 7y ago
  You're _honestly_ saying that fears over school shootings in the US are overblown because it makes for good news?
  - rayiner 7y ago
    Yes.
  - dahfizz 7y ago
    School shootings average 4 deaths per year. They are very tragic and very sad, but you should fear them about as much as you fear cows. In fact, cows kill a lot more people than school shootings do. All this fearmongering over such a rare occurrence is actively causing harm: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/10/11/lockdown-drills-an-american-quirk-out-control/?arc404=true https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/10/11/lockdown-...
    - cheez 7y ago
      The only presidential candidate to speak truth about this... Andrew Yang.
      - allover 7y ago
        He said the drills are misguided though right? Not that the US obsession with guns and lax gun control that enables school shootings is defensible.
        rayiner 7y ago
        Americans have guns because we believe that individual citizens may, god forbid, need to kill people. Many Europeans, by contrast, believe that they are past that, at a point in history where only the State needs the power to kill. Who knows who is right. But it’s ridiculously arrogant to say that the American position is not defensible. It was literally just a couple of generations ago when the US was air dropping rifles into France to support the Resistance. Even if we have now entered an age where ordinary people don’t need guns—that new age is younger than computers, supersonic flight, or television. Its far too soon to conclude that’s this is how the world will always be from here forward.
        allover 7y ago
        I think you're missing that Europeans also recognise that giving every dumbass, desperate person or dormant psychopath a gun, is far more likely to get people killed NOW, than the chances that when the 'end-times' you imply come, all these same people are going to someone effectively unite and overthrow the regime. It's a crackpot idea to think that 'arming citizens' helps the whole. And the fact you think it's 'arrogant' to spell out a basic truth that the rest of the world understands is dumbfounding.
        cheez 7y ago
        Yes, that the drills are misguided. And he is fine with the obsession with guns, suggested using palm/grip recognition to tie guns to owners with free updates paid for by govt. Reasonable.
- cutemonster 7y ago
  Do you mean that 1 in 100 gets shot dead during their lifetime? In the US
Aunche 7y ago
If you're already in a lot of debt, getting a medical bill is just going to add to that debt. As a result, anyone who sees a doctor and declares bankruptcy can say that healthcare is at least partially to blame.
- cheez 7y ago
  I get the logic, but I'm more looking for statistics.
  - Aunche 7y ago
    I can't tell whether there are "too many" medical bankruptcies, but I know that pundits are exaggerating the degree of severity. This link has some statistics, so you can take what you want from it. https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2019/jan/31/jose-oliva/health-care-top-reason-bankruptcies-florida-gop-le/ https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2019/jan/31/jose-oliva...
refurb 7y ago
Take a look at bankruptcy due to health issues in Canada. It’s lower than the US, but still a problem. They have a single payer system, but what people tend to forget is if you’re really sick, you often can’t work, so even if health costs are minimal, you can still go bankrupt. What I think would be helpful in the US is universal catastrophic insurance. Worst case scenario, you’re covered. If you want everyday health insurance, let people buy it or get covered if low income. Many universal system use this type of coverage.
rayiner 7y ago
It’s a misleading statistic that gets used because it helps push the narrative that things are broken: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5865642 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5865642. > However, the magnitude of the bankruptcy effect is much smaller than previously thought: we estimate that hospitalizations cause only 4% of personal bankruptcies among nonelderly U.S. adults, which is an order of magnitude smaller than the previous estimates described above.
- cheez 7y ago
  I'm not so sure that rate of medical bankruptcies is the metric I'd use to measure the healthcare system! But point taken.

So _why_ if it works for 80% of polled people does it keep being touted as it resulting in bankruptcy consistently?

by cheez 7y ago

So _why_ if it works for 80% of polled people does it keep being touted as it resulting in bankruptcy consistently?

lifeformed 7y ago

The other 20% is a lot of people.

xeromal 7y ago
Yup, the US is the 3rd most populated country on the planet.

dahfizz 7y ago

The same reason that guns result in 1% of deaths but you hear about them constantly. It makes for a good news program.

allover 7y ago
You're _honestly_ saying that fears over school shootings in the US are overblown because it makes for good news?
- rayiner 7y ago
  Yes.
- dahfizz 7y ago
  School shootings average 4 deaths per year. They are very tragic and very sad, but you should fear them about as much as you fear cows. In fact, cows kill a lot more people than school shootings do. All this fearmongering over such a rare occurrence is actively causing harm: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/10/11/lockdown-drills-an-american-quirk-out-control/?arc404=true https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/10/11/lockdown-...
  - cheez 7y ago
    The only presidential candidate to speak truth about this... Andrew Yang.
    - allover 7y ago
      He said the drills are misguided though right? Not that the US obsession with guns and lax gun control that enables school shootings is defensible.
      - rayiner 7y ago
        Americans have guns because we believe that individual citizens may, god forbid, need to kill people. Many Europeans, by contrast, believe that they are past that, at a point in history where only the State needs the power to kill. Who knows who is right. But it’s ridiculously arrogant to say that the American position is not defensible. It was literally just a couple of generations ago when the US was air dropping rifles into France to support the Resistance. Even if we have now entered an age where ordinary people don’t need guns—that new age is younger than computers, supersonic flight, or television. Its far too soon to conclude that’s this is how the world will always be from here forward.
        allover 7y ago
        I think you're missing that Europeans also recognise that giving every dumbass, desperate person or dormant psychopath a gun, is far more likely to get people killed NOW, than the chances that when the 'end-times' you imply come, all these same people are going to someone effectively unite and overthrow the regime. It's a crackpot idea to think that 'arming citizens' helps the whole. And the fact you think it's 'arrogant' to spell out a basic truth that the rest of the world understands is dumbfounding.
      - cheez 7y ago
        Yes, that the drills are misguided. And he is fine with the obsession with guns, suggested using palm/grip recognition to tie guns to owners with free updates paid for by govt. Reasonable.
cutemonster 7y ago
Do you mean that 1 in 100 gets shot dead during their lifetime? In the US

Aunche 7y ago

If you're already in a lot of debt, getting a medical bill is just going to add to that debt. As a result, anyone who sees a doctor and declares bankruptcy can say that healthcare is at least partially to blame.

cheez 7y ago
I get the logic, but I'm more looking for statistics.
- Aunche 7y ago
  I can't tell whether there are "too many" medical bankruptcies, but I know that pundits are exaggerating the degree of severity. This link has some statistics, so you can take what you want from it. https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2019/jan/31/jose-oliva/health-care-top-reason-bankruptcies-florida-gop-le/ https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2019/jan/31/jose-oliva...

refurb 7y ago

Take a look at bankruptcy due to health issues in Canada. It’s lower than the US, but still a problem. They have a single payer system, but what people tend to forget is if you’re really sick, you often can’t work, so even if health costs are minimal, you can still go bankrupt. What I think would be helpful in the US is universal catastrophic insurance. Worst case scenario, you’re covered. If you want everyday health insurance, let people buy it or get covered if low income. Many universal system use this type of coverage.

rayiner 7y ago

It’s a misleading statistic that gets used because it helps push the narrative that things are broken: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5865642 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5865642. > However, the magnitude of the bankruptcy effect is much smaller than previously thought: we estimate that hospitalizations cause only 4% of personal bankruptcies among nonelderly U.S. adults, which is an order of magnitude smaller than the previous estimates described above.

cheez 7y ago
I'm not so sure that rate of medical bankruptcies is the metric I'd use to measure the healthcare system! But point taken.