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is asciidoc similarly powerful? I have everything in org/githubpages but I often get a bit frustrated with Emacs and its clunkiness. My issue is that orgmode h

by geokon 7y ago

is asciidoc similarly powerful? I have everything in org/githubpages but I often get a bit frustrated with Emacs and its clunkiness. My issue is that orgmode has no spec and is so tightly coupled to Emacs - so ive ended up unintentionally married to the whole ecosystem.. I've been considering migrating away from org but I don't have any great alternative in mind

jolmg 7y ago
Asciidoc seems to be just a format. For me, the main benefits of org-mode are the Emacs keybindings to handle the docs semantically, to e.g. move the headings around, nest a whole hierarchy, archive a heading, etc. Also, the agenda view is really useful. I've been using org-mode mostly to keep day-by-day notes in files such as ~/org/diary/2020-02-15.org, which I create for a given day from a keybinding. I've been thinking of starting to make personal backlogs in the form of org-mode files, keeping the headings ordered by priority, and archiving each heading when I'm done with them. All the benefit of using org-mode here comes from the keybindings. > My issue is that orgmode has no spec and is so tightly coupled to Emacs The spec is the org-mode manual. What other programs do, like Orgzly on Android, is to just support what they can of the format. They don't need to have feature-parity with org-mode on Emacs to be useful.
- rudedogg 7y ago
  Spec for the curious: https://orgmode.org/worg/dev/org-syntax.html https://orgmode.org/worg/dev/org-syntax.html
nextos 7y ago
What do you find clunky about org-mode within Emacs? For me it's the opposite, all other tools feel primitive compared to Org, which has really simple and powerful primitives. You can easily adapt it to implement any productivity and knowledge management methodology.
samatman 7y ago
I get annoyed when other people repeat messages on HN, so I won't do that here: I'm working on a format like orgmode but with an actual specification and standalone implementation. You can find links elsewhere in this thread. It's not ready for primetime, but it's getting close; there's years of work ahead before it can do everything orgmode does, but as a literate programming environment, it works great. As long as you stick to Lua. Making it work with Jupyter kernels is the next major phase of the project.

by geokon 7y ago

jolmg 7y ago

Asciidoc seems to be just a format. For me, the main benefits of org-mode are the Emacs keybindings to handle the docs semantically, to e.g. move the headings around, nest a whole hierarchy, archive a heading, etc. Also, the agenda view is really useful. I've been using org-mode mostly to keep day-by-day notes in files such as ~/org/diary/2020-02-15.org, which I create for a given day from a keybinding. I've been thinking of starting to make personal backlogs in the form of org-mode files, keeping the headings ordered by priority, and archiving each heading when I'm done with them. All the benefit of using org-mode here comes from the keybindings. > My issue is that orgmode has no spec and is so tightly coupled to Emacs The spec is the org-mode manual. What other programs do, like Orgzly on Android, is to just support what they can of the format. They don't need to have feature-parity with org-mode on Emacs to be useful.

rudedogg 7y ago
Spec for the curious: https://orgmode.org/worg/dev/org-syntax.html https://orgmode.org/worg/dev/org-syntax.html

nextos 7y ago

What do you find clunky about org-mode within Emacs? For me it's the opposite, all other tools feel primitive compared to Org, which has really simple and powerful primitives. You can easily adapt it to implement any productivity and knowledge management methodology.

samatman 7y ago

I get annoyed when other people repeat messages on HN, so I won't do that here: I'm working on a format like orgmode but with an actual specification and standalone implementation. You can find links elsewhere in this thread. It's not ready for primetime, but it's getting close; there's years of work ahead before it can do everything orgmode does, but as a literate programming environment, it works great. As long as you stick to Lua. Making it work with Jupyter kernels is the next major phase of the project.