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See also "Opium Wars". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opium_Wars https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opium_Wars Don't do drugs.

agumonkey 7y ago
> Don't do drugs. Don't get prescribed drugs -- 2000s variant
- carapace 7y ago
  (Random aside: For like three years I thought your username was arguemonkey, with an 'r' & 'e'. Derp) :-) That's an insidious aspect here: people trust doctors, the drug dealers found an angle that blindsided the system.
  - DyslexicAtheist 7y ago
    oh boy ... I have read it the same way too until just now I even thought what an edgy name every time I came across a comment - not once bothering to re-read ... human brains are terrible :D
    - carapace 7y ago
      :D
  - agumonkey 7y ago
    I hope this wasn't a reflection of me being obnoxious
    - carapace 7y ago
      Ha! No. I don't pay a lot of attention to usernames. FWIW, my impression of the quality of your posts is generally high.
  - AnimalMuppet 7y ago
    Huh. I always read it as aguemonkey, with the 'e' but not the 'r'. That would be a monkey with a biological sickness. (No insult intended... I just misread.)
DyslexicAtheist 7y ago
linking this to the Opium Wars might lead people to make incorrect links between cause and effect. This isn't some pay-back for the crimes the East-Indian Company and the West committed against China back then. It's simply a few bad apples in an illegal market responding to the demand of the West and seriously why would anyone in China care as long as they don't sell this in China. It is bad-apples who want to get rich quickly but from a suppliers perspective it's short sighted because a dead addict isn't going to come back for more. The real criminals to blame here are those that get people hooked on pharmaceuticals and then stop giving them the prescription for what they got them hooked on. No wonder they move from pain killers to heroin (or its substitutes). edit: I highly recommend the excellent "Louis Theroux: Dark States" (episode Heroin Town). He gives a very empathic non-judgemental look into the tragedy of addiction in the US.
- dependenttypes 7y ago
  > This isn't some pay-back for the crimes the East-Indian Company and the West committed against China back then. Certainly, but with fentanyl specifically it would not surprise me if some of the Chinese smugglers thought that they do a heroic patriotic act.
  - DyslexicAtheist 7y ago
    the crucial difference here is the East India Company & friends systematically used opium to weaken their enemy (not just in China but also Singapore where they kept their coolies on drugs). This wasn't even kept secret in the UK but was an actual part of their strategy against China. We don't have any facts linking the CCP or any other institutions or legally run Chinese companies to do what has been done by the West back in these days.
- carapace 7y ago
  > linking this to the Opium Wars smells like a conspiracy theoroy. This isn't some pay-back for the crimes the East-Indian Company and the West committed against China back then. Sorry! I just wanted to point out some of the historical context. I don't have a particular fish to fry here. > why would anyone in China care as long as they don't sell this in China. That's a bit uncharitable, eh? There are a billion and a half people people in China, they can't all be moral cretins, can they?
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agumonkey 7y ago

> Don't do drugs. Don't get prescribed drugs -- 2000s variant

carapace 7y ago
(Random aside: For like three years I thought your username was arguemonkey, with an 'r' & 'e'. Derp) :-) That's an insidious aspect here: people trust doctors, the drug dealers found an angle that blindsided the system.
- DyslexicAtheist 7y ago
  oh boy ... I have read it the same way too until just now I even thought what an edgy name every time I came across a comment - not once bothering to re-read ... human brains are terrible :D
  - carapace 7y ago
    :D
- agumonkey 7y ago
  I hope this wasn't a reflection of me being obnoxious
  - carapace 7y ago
    Ha! No. I don't pay a lot of attention to usernames. FWIW, my impression of the quality of your posts is generally high.
- AnimalMuppet 7y ago
  Huh. I always read it as aguemonkey, with the 'e' but not the 'r'. That would be a monkey with a biological sickness. (No insult intended... I just misread.)

DyslexicAtheist 7y ago

linking this to the Opium Wars might lead people to make incorrect links between cause and effect. This isn't some pay-back for the crimes the East-Indian Company and the West committed against China back then. It's simply a few bad apples in an illegal market responding to the demand of the West and seriously why would anyone in China care as long as they don't sell this in China. It is bad-apples who want to get rich quickly but from a suppliers perspective it's short sighted because a dead addict isn't going to come back for more. The real criminals to blame here are those that get people hooked on pharmaceuticals and then stop giving them the prescription for what they got them hooked on. No wonder they move from pain killers to heroin (or its substitutes). edit: I highly recommend the excellent "Louis Theroux: Dark States" (episode Heroin Town). He gives a very empathic non-judgemental look into the tragedy of addiction in the US.

dependenttypes 7y ago
> This isn't some pay-back for the crimes the East-Indian Company and the West committed against China back then. Certainly, but with fentanyl specifically it would not surprise me if some of the Chinese smugglers thought that they do a heroic patriotic act.
- DyslexicAtheist 7y ago
  the crucial difference here is the East India Company & friends systematically used opium to weaken their enemy (not just in China but also Singapore where they kept their coolies on drugs). This wasn't even kept secret in the UK but was an actual part of their strategy against China. We don't have any facts linking the CCP or any other institutions or legally run Chinese companies to do what has been done by the West back in these days.
carapace 7y ago
> linking this to the Opium Wars smells like a conspiracy theoroy. This isn't some pay-back for the crimes the East-Indian Company and the West committed against China back then. Sorry! I just wanted to point out some of the historical context. I don't have a particular fish to fry here. > why would anyone in China care as long as they don't sell this in China. That's a bit uncharitable, eh? There are a billion and a half people people in China, they can't all be moral cretins, can they?

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