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A first year student of some community college in the US is twice as good as the average developer here. You think I am talking shit? well... I studied in the

A first year student of some community college in the US is twice as good as the average developer here. You think I am talking shit? well... I studied in the US and worked as a program director for a technical University based in Stockholm whose sole job was to output developers into the market in line with what all the hundreds of CTOs that I interviewed required. Trust me when I say this, that article you linked to is pure PR bullshit. You can find the same article written about Paris, London, Berlin, etc. It´s all PR bullshit that people spin in order to attract foreign capital. > Also, tech salaries are quite high -- as a consultant, you make more than in London at least. at some point you ought to realize that what you´re saying is bullshit, and this sentence should have tipped you off to the fact that you´re talking out of your ass.

ptr 7y ago
I don't understand your anger, but it's interesting that you've got such a completely different experience of the situation. FWIW, I've also studied in the US, and I've hired developers in Stockholm. There are of course both good and bad developers, but if you pay more, you tend to get better ones. The article might or might not be bullshit, but there's a lot of highly valued tech companies per capita in Sweden, and I know for sure the consultant prices aren't bullshit as I've worked for quite a long time as just that. I'm usually not the kind of person that "talks out of my ass".
lawn 7y ago
> A first year student of some community college in the US is twice as good as the average developer here. I work closely with developers from both the US and Sweden, and this hasn't been my experience at all. If anything it's been the reverse. What I can say though is that developers from Asian countries leave a lot to be desired. Which is funny as you've outsourced jobs to Vietnam. At some point you ought to realize that what you're saying is bullshit too.
- wesammikhail 7y ago
  > At some point you ought to realize that what you're saying is bullshit too. My previous startup was a tech one. The current one that is in Vietnam is for production and manufacturing of physical goods. The parts I moved to Vietnam are the manufacturing parts and the parts that moved to Eastern Europe are the tech parts where you can a lot more value for much less. So no I am not talking shit, you just dont know enough about my specific case to judge it, yet somehow you have managed to do just that.
ptx 7y ago
> a technical University based in Stockholm The only technical university in Stockholm is KTH, I believe - is that what you're talking about? > whose sole job was to output developers into the market in line with what all the hundreds of CTOs that I interviewed required That's not how a university's role is usually seen.
- heartbeats 7y ago
  So what is the point then? To spit out future academic researchers who write papers read by other academic researchers on postmodern literature? Academia is a fraud, but to the extent that it produces useful employees it is at least socially justifiable.
  - SahAssar 7y ago
    I think the main point was that /u/wesammikhail seemed to claim a position that either didn't exist or was illconceived.

ptr 7y ago

I don't understand your anger, but it's interesting that you've got such a completely different experience of the situation. FWIW, I've also studied in the US, and I've hired developers in Stockholm. There are of course both good and bad developers, but if you pay more, you tend to get better ones. The article might or might not be bullshit, but there's a lot of highly valued tech companies per capita in Sweden, and I know for sure the consultant prices aren't bullshit as I've worked for quite a long time as just that. I'm usually not the kind of person that "talks out of my ass".

lawn 7y ago

> A first year student of some community college in the US is twice as good as the average developer here. I work closely with developers from both the US and Sweden, and this hasn't been my experience at all. If anything it's been the reverse. What I can say though is that developers from Asian countries leave a lot to be desired. Which is funny as you've outsourced jobs to Vietnam. At some point you ought to realize that what you're saying is bullshit too.

wesammikhail 7y ago
> At some point you ought to realize that what you're saying is bullshit too. My previous startup was a tech one. The current one that is in Vietnam is for production and manufacturing of physical goods. The parts I moved to Vietnam are the manufacturing parts and the parts that moved to Eastern Europe are the tech parts where you can a lot more value for much less. So no I am not talking shit, you just dont know enough about my specific case to judge it, yet somehow you have managed to do just that.

ptx 7y ago

> a technical University based in Stockholm The only technical university in Stockholm is KTH, I believe - is that what you're talking about? > whose sole job was to output developers into the market in line with what all the hundreds of CTOs that I interviewed required That's not how a university's role is usually seen.

heartbeats 7y ago
So what is the point then? To spit out future academic researchers who write papers read by other academic researchers on postmodern literature? Academia is a fraud, but to the extent that it produces useful employees it is at least socially justifiable.
- SahAssar 7y ago
  I think the main point was that /u/wesammikhail seemed to claim a position that either didn't exist or was illconceived.