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sure, but with significantly more deaths associated with it

by aldoushuxley001 7y ago

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crimsonalucard 7y ago
The whole death thing really just depends on the situation.
lotsofpulp 7y ago
How has this been measured?
- justinhj 7y ago
  The entirety of recent history?
  - geofft 7y ago
    Have a meme, because we're clearly not citing reliable sources in this thread: https://i.redd.it/usuxsd2ex5cy.png https://i.redd.it/usuxsd2ex5cy.png
    - aldoushuxley001 7y ago
      I must have missed the part where communism saved those people instead... The reality is that Capitalism is the worst type of economy except for all the others, just like Democracy is for governance.
      - geofft 7y ago
        OK, but that's changing the goalposts, the claim here is that communism has more deaths. If we're now saying people are going to die under both communism and capitalism, then "people will die under communism" isn't an argument to go with capitalism (nor vice versa) and we should find some other way to save their lives instead of putting our hope in either capitalism or communism.
    - justinhj 7y ago
      In this article are 10 object ways the world is getting better. Your "meme" is not capturing the gradual, and quite amazing, lifting our of poverty of hundreds of millions in the last few decades. The failures of communism in Russia, China, Venezuela are their own meme. https://singularityhub.com/2016/06/27/why-the-world-is-better-than-you-think-in-10-powerful-charts/ https://singularityhub.com/2016/06/27/why-the-world-is-bette...
      - geofft 7y ago
        1. Can you link the world getting better with capitalism specifically? (Are we more able to feed and heal the world because the discoverers of new techniques were motivated by profit and capitalism enabled them to do their work? Norman Borlaug and Alexander Fleming would probably disagree with that.) 2. How would Russia, China, and Venezuela have fared if it weren't for US sanctions and military threat? We don't see communism in a vacuum, we see communism spending all its resources defending itself from existential threats from "capitalist" countries with significant (taxpayer-funded) militaries. 3. Hasn't poverty gotten worse in Russia after the transition to capitalism?
        justinhj 7y ago
        1. Capitalism does not succeed on its own. The success of the west is combining free markets, capitalism and shared values about individual rights and freedoms. 2. Sure blame America. Wait didn’t America send food aid to China when it descended into famine in the 20s? 3. It certainly hasn’t transitioned to a free society with shared values and an open free market system Enjoy downvoting this
        geofft 7y ago
        (For the record, I'm not downvoting anything in this thread: I consider it rude to both downvote and reply. So someone else is downvoting both of us.)
SQueeeeeL 7y ago
All systems of government lead to death because humans are fucking awful at holding power, that's why I'm sending the from my bunker in Alaska

sure, but with significantly more deaths associated with it

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crimsonalucard 7y ago

The whole death thing really just depends on the situation.

lotsofpulp 7y ago

How has this been measured?

justinhj 7y ago
The entirety of recent history?
- geofft 7y ago
  Have a meme, because we're clearly not citing reliable sources in this thread: https://i.redd.it/usuxsd2ex5cy.png https://i.redd.it/usuxsd2ex5cy.png
  - aldoushuxley001 7y ago
    I must have missed the part where communism saved those people instead... The reality is that Capitalism is the worst type of economy except for all the others, just like Democracy is for governance.
    - geofft 7y ago
      OK, but that's changing the goalposts, the claim here is that communism has more deaths. If we're now saying people are going to die under both communism and capitalism, then "people will die under communism" isn't an argument to go with capitalism (nor vice versa) and we should find some other way to save their lives instead of putting our hope in either capitalism or communism.
  - justinhj 7y ago
    In this article are 10 object ways the world is getting better. Your "meme" is not capturing the gradual, and quite amazing, lifting our of poverty of hundreds of millions in the last few decades. The failures of communism in Russia, China, Venezuela are their own meme. https://singularityhub.com/2016/06/27/why-the-world-is-better-than-you-think-in-10-powerful-charts/ https://singularityhub.com/2016/06/27/why-the-world-is-bette...
    - geofft 7y ago
      1. Can you link the world getting better with capitalism specifically? (Are we more able to feed and heal the world because the discoverers of new techniques were motivated by profit and capitalism enabled them to do their work? Norman Borlaug and Alexander Fleming would probably disagree with that.) 2. How would Russia, China, and Venezuela have fared if it weren't for US sanctions and military threat? We don't see communism in a vacuum, we see communism spending all its resources defending itself from existential threats from "capitalist" countries with significant (taxpayer-funded) militaries. 3. Hasn't poverty gotten worse in Russia after the transition to capitalism?
      - justinhj 7y ago
        1. Capitalism does not succeed on its own. The success of the west is combining free markets, capitalism and shared values about individual rights and freedoms. 2. Sure blame America. Wait didn’t America send food aid to China when it descended into famine in the 20s? 3. It certainly hasn’t transitioned to a free society with shared values and an open free market system Enjoy downvoting this
        geofft 7y ago
        (For the record, I'm not downvoting anything in this thread: I consider it rude to both downvote and reply. So someone else is downvoting both of us.)

SQueeeeeL 7y ago

All systems of government lead to death because humans are fucking awful at holding power, that's why I'm sending the from my bunker in Alaska