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You're right. That's a good argument for funding schools with sources besides property taxes. That system intentionally subsidizes renters by getting home owner

You're right. That's a good argument for funding schools with sources besides property taxes. That system intentionally subsidizes renters by getting home owners to pay for schools and tasks people who aren't concerned with the funding to make decisions on it. edit: YES, it's a nice plan to just raise rent to cover the school taxes. However, unless you are in a popular market, your rent prices may not bear the increase. Example Northeastern PA has cheap rent because there are so many places available, and thus the $4000/yr in school tax portion of the property tax is not able to be passed on to renters.

djrogers 7y ago
Renters absolutely pay property taxes - just not directly. Every rental unit I’ve ever owned has had the exact same property tax bill as the ones I’ve lived in, and the taxes were paid from the rent collected. If property taxes increased substantially, I’d have had to raise rent...
- foxx-boxx 7y ago
  Property taxes force homeowners to rent their properties in the first place: in 40 years of not renting your property taxes will confiscate it.
  - lazyasciiart 7y ago
    No they don't.
mlyle 7y ago
??? Property taxes aren't passed on to renters? Only homeowners pay them, and landlords don't experience them as a cost they need to recover from their tenants?
- starik36 7y ago
  I think he means that taxes are indirectly passed to renters in form of a higher rent.
  - SlowRobotAhead 7y ago
    Correct, also in the places that the market does not bear it. If your only concept of renting is in the Bay Area or Brooklyn or some high end captive market, you don't really get that you can't always just raise rent until costs are covered. Most of the country won't bear it so the landlord eats it. I have rentals, I know this first hand.
    - AnthonyMouse 7y ago
      Real estate is one of the most efficient markets. Landlords all over make approximately the same returns as one another, outside of a handful of places where where people are making (or losing) money from speculation. What happens when you increase property taxes is that property values go down to compensate; it's less valuable to own when you have to pay more to do it. So in the short term the property tax increase hits whoever owned the property when the rate change was announced. But then it becomes less profitable to own property in that area, so people invest less in building new housing there, or even in maintaining the existing housing. That tends to constrain supply and cause rents to increase until you're back at equilibrium. The long-term equilibrium is based on the relationship between rents and total costs. Property tax is a cost so in the long-term higher property taxes result in higher rents. (This isn't counting the pathological cases where higher property taxes reduce property values and investment and the government responds by further raising property taxes until the locality is in a death spiral. Naturally rents in dying localities tend to go down.)
      - rcpt 7y ago
        > Landlords all over make approximately the same returns as one another In California long time landlords get Prop 13 tax cuts. New ones don't. They compete for the same tenants and charge the same rent. Long time landlords have much bigger profit margins because of that law. Other states have property tax restrictions but I don't know as much about them.

djrogers 7y ago

Renters absolutely pay property taxes - just not directly. Every rental unit I’ve ever owned has had the exact same property tax bill as the ones I’ve lived in, and the taxes were paid from the rent collected. If property taxes increased substantially, I’d have had to raise rent...

foxx-boxx 7y ago
Property taxes force homeowners to rent their properties in the first place: in 40 years of not renting your property taxes will confiscate it.
- lazyasciiart 7y ago
  No they don't.

mlyle 7y ago

??? Property taxes aren't passed on to renters? Only homeowners pay them, and landlords don't experience them as a cost they need to recover from their tenants?

starik36 7y ago
I think he means that taxes are indirectly passed to renters in form of a higher rent.
- SlowRobotAhead 7y ago
  Correct, also in the places that the market does not bear it. If your only concept of renting is in the Bay Area or Brooklyn or some high end captive market, you don't really get that you can't always just raise rent until costs are covered. Most of the country won't bear it so the landlord eats it. I have rentals, I know this first hand.
  - AnthonyMouse 7y ago
    Real estate is one of the most efficient markets. Landlords all over make approximately the same returns as one another, outside of a handful of places where where people are making (or losing) money from speculation. What happens when you increase property taxes is that property values go down to compensate; it's less valuable to own when you have to pay more to do it. So in the short term the property tax increase hits whoever owned the property when the rate change was announced. But then it becomes less profitable to own property in that area, so people invest less in building new housing there, or even in maintaining the existing housing. That tends to constrain supply and cause rents to increase until you're back at equilibrium. The long-term equilibrium is based on the relationship between rents and total costs. Property tax is a cost so in the long-term higher property taxes result in higher rents. (This isn't counting the pathological cases where higher property taxes reduce property values and investment and the government responds by further raising property taxes until the locality is in a death spiral. Naturally rents in dying localities tend to go down.)
    - rcpt 7y ago
      > Landlords all over make approximately the same returns as one another In California long time landlords get Prop 13 tax cuts. New ones don't. They compete for the same tenants and charge the same rent. Long time landlords have much bigger profit margins because of that law. Other states have property tax restrictions but I don't know as much about them.