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I don't know a single long time home owner that is NIMBY because they want their house's value to rise. They're NIMBY because they want their neighborhood to s
by bcrosby95 7y ago
I don't know a single long time home owner that is NIMBY because they want their house's value to rise. They're NIMBY because they want their neighborhood to stay the same.
> For example, I've talked to retired folks that have considered leaving the bay due to the increased cost of living. But because they have owned their house for decades + P13, if they bought a _cheaper_ house elsewhere in CA to downsize, they'd be paying _more_ in property taxes, to the point of the move not being worth the cost. (I believe there's been talk of transferable tax rates to fix this specific problem, or maybe something was even passed, but it just goes to show the distortions P13 has beyond the obvious).
Tax rates are transferable in the same county, under certain restrictions (less expensive I think). Some counties have deals with eachother to transfer tax rates. I think a big benefit would be to have all counties to be able to transfer rates with eachother.
Another problem with transferable tax rates is most smaller housing units tend to be condos - and all they build new are 'luxury' condos. Even if you could pay for it outright, and get a transferred tax rate, you probably have an insane HOA attached to it. This alone can make it not worthwhile.
But still, I think the best, most realistic way out of the prop 13 mess is to get rid of it for newly bought homes, but allow the transfer rate for downsizing state-wide. And for the love of god, get rid of it from inheritance. Most of these people massively benefiting from it are in their 60s and 70s, so the circle of life will eventually take care of things. If we don't pass something soon the next generation of inheritors will force us to wait another lifetime to fix the problem.
- mlyle 7y ago> I don't know a single long time home owner that is NIMBY because they want their house's value to rise. They're NIMBY because they want their neighborhood to stay the same. There's lots of people who move into a neighborhood near a airport, landfill, etc, and who over some time living there decide the airport is a big problem because it's holding property values down.
- deepakhj 7y agoProp 13 would be easy to fix: 1) Limit to primary residence. 2) Charge market rate tax for everyone but for homeowners that want to defer assess it as a lien on the house that is collected once sold. New homeowner tax will drop once tax revenue is more equitable. Make this deferment income based. 3) Remove from commercial property.
- refurb 7y agoIt’s the inequity of property tax that really burns me. Just because I bought the same house decades later my property tax is 20x what my neighbor’s is? Am I really using 20x the resources my neighbor does? Get rid of Prop 13 and you could probably be revenue neutral and still drop the property tax rate by 50%.
- m463 7y agoI've been wondering about Prop 13 and I've come to the conclusion it's made california into a big ponzi scheme. Basically, the new arrivals pay for everything. And new taxes added (such as school taxes) follow the same scheme so that long-time residents pay less there too. That said, the TRUE beneficiaries of prop 13 are corporations anyway.