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Where would dashes be placed here?

kick 7y ago
"Apple-supplied." That's what they do elsewhere: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202471 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202471 https://support.apple.com/guide/terminal/script-management-with-launchd-apdc6c1077b-5d5d-4d35-9c19-60f2397b2369/mac https://support.apple.com/guide/terminal/script-management-w... https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201954 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201954 For less ambiguity, I should have used the term "hyphen," but imagined it would be clear.
- briandear 7y ago
  Fascinating. A hyphen and a dash are two completely different things. A dash isn’t ambiguous at all, it’s literally the wrong word. Those who live in glass houses.. https://www.grammarly.com/blog/hyphens-and-dashes/ https://www.grammarly.com/blog/hyphens-and-dashes/
  - kick 7y ago
    Digitally, they're _the exact same thing,_ represented by the exact same code point:* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyphen-minus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyphen-minus The figure dash _literally_ serves the same purpose as the hyphen: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dash#Figure_dash https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dash#Figure_dash ASCII was limited, compromises were made, and "dash" and "hyphen" became interchangeable. Most style guides accept both under the term "dash": https://www.chicagomanualofstyle.org/qanda/data/faq/topics/HyphensEnDashesEmDashes/faq0002.html https://www.chicagomanualofstyle.org/qanda/data/faq/topics/H... * Unicode has changed this somewhat, though not perfectly. Bonus: https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/grammar/british-grammar/hyphens https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/grammar/british-grammar/... Hyphens are a form of dash (-) which we use between words or parts of words.
    - jsjohnst 7y ago
      Feels very disingenuous to critique grammar, while using bad grammar yourself, and then rebuke the person who calls it out politely.
ucs 7y ago
A copy editor might even have employed suspended hyphens: "Apple-supplied and -managed hardware" —only to be quickly overruled by the marketing folks, who’d probably frown upon such a construction.
- kick 7y ago
  Absolutely this!

kick 7y ago

"Apple-supplied." That's what they do elsewhere: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202471 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202471 https://support.apple.com/guide/terminal/script-management-with-launchd-apdc6c1077b-5d5d-4d35-9c19-60f2397b2369/mac https://support.apple.com/guide/terminal/script-management-w... https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201954 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201954 For less ambiguity, I should have used the term "hyphen," but imagined it would be clear.

briandear 7y ago
Fascinating. A hyphen and a dash are two completely different things. A dash isn’t ambiguous at all, it’s literally the wrong word. Those who live in glass houses.. https://www.grammarly.com/blog/hyphens-and-dashes/ https://www.grammarly.com/blog/hyphens-and-dashes/
- kick 7y ago
  Digitally, they're _the exact same thing,_ represented by the exact same code point:* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyphen-minus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyphen-minus The figure dash _literally_ serves the same purpose as the hyphen: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dash#Figure_dash https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dash#Figure_dash ASCII was limited, compromises were made, and "dash" and "hyphen" became interchangeable. Most style guides accept both under the term "dash": https://www.chicagomanualofstyle.org/qanda/data/faq/topics/HyphensEnDashesEmDashes/faq0002.html https://www.chicagomanualofstyle.org/qanda/data/faq/topics/H... * Unicode has changed this somewhat, though not perfectly. Bonus: https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/grammar/british-grammar/hyphens https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/grammar/british-grammar/... Hyphens are a form of dash (-) which we use between words or parts of words.
  - jsjohnst 7y ago
    Feels very disingenuous to critique grammar, while using bad grammar yourself, and then rebuke the person who calls it out politely.

ucs 7y ago

A copy editor might even have employed suspended hyphens: "Apple-supplied and -managed hardware" —only to be quickly overruled by the marketing folks, who’d probably frown upon such a construction.

kick 7y ago
Absolutely this!