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Maybe the wife isn’t allowed to know about the drone because she’s currently cleaning his dirty underwear by hand?

titanomachy 7y ago
Good point, I wonder if they are also slow to adopt social trends. If they're 50 years behind in technology, does that mean they're also just starting to consider women's liberation? The author seemed to interact only with men. Are the bishops who decide what technology to adopt also all men?
- starpilot 7y ago
  Abuse of women, including rape, is widespread and suppressed among the Amish: https://www.cosmopolitan.com/lifestyle/a30284631/amish-sexual-abuse-incest-me-too/ https://www.cosmopolitan.com/lifestyle/a30284631/amish-sexua... Anything critical of the Amish is being downvoted in this thread because it conflicts with the happy, quaint narrative HNers desperately wish to believe.
- NotSammyHagar 7y ago
  Great points, it's virtually guaranteed that as in many other religious groups there is a notion of "protecting" women by taking such decisions away from them or restricting them from various roles. The southern baptist church in the us remains inordinately focused on limiting women's roles. Women shouldn't be priests, in some places they allow them, other places look askance at that.
  - heartbeats 7y ago
    That is just a matter of basic theological fidelity; the matter is spelled out very clearly in the Bible[0]. You can't just pick and mix which parts of it you'd like to selectively ignore and claim it's 'up to interpretation'. [0] Timothy 2:11-12
    - lozaning 7y ago
      And yet I dont know of a single Christian that follows the rules against wearing blended material garments laid out in Leviticus 19:19. My parents are Deacons in their local church, and believe you me, they pick and choose which parts to interpret as allegory and which parts to interpret literally all the time.
      - mattr47 7y ago
        That is part of the ritual law, something a follower/disciple of Jesus is not required to do. In fact as a follower of Jesus there are no rules other than 2. Love God and love others. Everything else flows from that as far as the instruction gave like Jesus did in his Sermon on the Mount. Someone who has said, hey I declare that Jesus is my Lord and Savior, and truly believes it will of course do things. Not because they have to, but because they want to.
    - hobs 7y ago
      Oh please, then how do we have different sects of Christianity?
      - heartbeats 7y ago
        Some of the rules are rather vague, to the point where two reasonable-minded people could reach two different conclusions. The parts about female ordination are, to put it bluntly, not.
    - pinkfoot 7y ago
      Then Ephesians 6:5-8 and Colossians 3:22 telling slaves to obey their masters is going to be a doozie to implement and defend.
      - heartbeats 7y ago
        Slavery as practiced in the ancient world was not the same institution as the chattel slavery in the European colonies, which is an entirely different moral gray area. It was more akin to our modern employment relationships if anything. And the following sounds like a reasonable expression of Christian morality, does it not?: > 22 Employees, in all things obey those who are your employers on earth [lit. according to the flesh], not with external service [lit. eyeservice], as those who merely please men, but with sincerity of heart, fearing the Lord. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_antiquity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_antiquity
zdragnar 7y ago
Our local community of Amish have on-farm stores for tourists and locals. They were run almost exclusively by the women. Slandering an entire group of people out of ignorance is a habit we should work to break away from, not reinforce.
- teachrdan 7y ago
  I don't take the point as slander. It's that, while the husband goes against Amish convention by using modern technology to have fun, the wife is stuck at home using dated technology to expend time and energy cleaning up after him. In other words, it's easy for the husband to sneak a drone among his belongings to have fun. It's impossible for his wife to sneak a washing machine among hers to make her life less difficult.
  - chrisco255 7y ago
    You're making a ton of assumptions about a guy and his wife. The whole point of the Amish life style is to make life a bit more difficult. The trade-off is that everyone in the community feels more needed and is bound closer together by sharing work load. Sneaking in occasional uses of modern technology doesn't defeat the purpose.
    - teachrdan 7y ago
      I'm upvoting your comment because I think it's important, and in fact I mostly agree with it. The shared commitment to Amish principles is obviously central to the project of maintaining and continuing an Amish way of life. Having said that, what we see in the example above is a classic example of game theory. The husband is the defector and benefits as a result. Is this an assumption? Of course! Perhaps his wife is playing Smash Bros on a secret Nintendo Switch while her husband is piloting his drone. But the fact remains that there's a lot of technology--specifically washing machines, dishwashers and the like--forbidden by Amish rules that could make her household chores (which she is obligated to do by her gender) much easier.
      - 7y ago
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Good point, I wonder if they are also slow to adopt social trends. If they're 50 years behind in technology, does that mean they're also just starting to consider women's liberation? The author seemed to interact only with men. Are the bishops who decide what technology to adopt also all men?

starpilot 7y ago
Abuse of women, including rape, is widespread and suppressed among the Amish: https://www.cosmopolitan.com/lifestyle/a30284631/amish-sexual-abuse-incest-me-too/ https://www.cosmopolitan.com/lifestyle/a30284631/amish-sexua... Anything critical of the Amish is being downvoted in this thread because it conflicts with the happy, quaint narrative HNers desperately wish to believe.
NotSammyHagar 7y ago
Great points, it's virtually guaranteed that as in many other religious groups there is a notion of "protecting" women by taking such decisions away from them or restricting them from various roles. The southern baptist church in the us remains inordinately focused on limiting women's roles. Women shouldn't be priests, in some places they allow them, other places look askance at that.
- heartbeats 7y ago
  That is just a matter of basic theological fidelity; the matter is spelled out very clearly in the Bible[0]. You can't just pick and mix which parts of it you'd like to selectively ignore and claim it's 'up to interpretation'. [0] Timothy 2:11-12
  - lozaning 7y ago
    And yet I dont know of a single Christian that follows the rules against wearing blended material garments laid out in Leviticus 19:19. My parents are Deacons in their local church, and believe you me, they pick and choose which parts to interpret as allegory and which parts to interpret literally all the time.
    - mattr47 7y ago
      That is part of the ritual law, something a follower/disciple of Jesus is not required to do. In fact as a follower of Jesus there are no rules other than 2. Love God and love others. Everything else flows from that as far as the instruction gave like Jesus did in his Sermon on the Mount. Someone who has said, hey I declare that Jesus is my Lord and Savior, and truly believes it will of course do things. Not because they have to, but because they want to.
  - hobs 7y ago
    Oh please, then how do we have different sects of Christianity?
    - heartbeats 7y ago
      Some of the rules are rather vague, to the point where two reasonable-minded people could reach two different conclusions. The parts about female ordination are, to put it bluntly, not.
  - pinkfoot 7y ago
    Then Ephesians 6:5-8 and Colossians 3:22 telling slaves to obey their masters is going to be a doozie to implement and defend.
    - heartbeats 7y ago
      Slavery as practiced in the ancient world was not the same institution as the chattel slavery in the European colonies, which is an entirely different moral gray area. It was more akin to our modern employment relationships if anything. And the following sounds like a reasonable expression of Christian morality, does it not?: > 22 Employees, in all things obey those who are your employers on earth [lit. according to the flesh], not with external service [lit. eyeservice], as those who merely please men, but with sincerity of heart, fearing the Lord. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_antiquity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_antiquity

zdragnar 7y ago

Our local community of Amish have on-farm stores for tourists and locals. They were run almost exclusively by the women. Slandering an entire group of people out of ignorance is a habit we should work to break away from, not reinforce.

teachrdan 7y ago
I don't take the point as slander. It's that, while the husband goes against Amish convention by using modern technology to have fun, the wife is stuck at home using dated technology to expend time and energy cleaning up after him. In other words, it's easy for the husband to sneak a drone among his belongings to have fun. It's impossible for his wife to sneak a washing machine among hers to make her life less difficult.
- chrisco255 7y ago
  You're making a ton of assumptions about a guy and his wife. The whole point of the Amish life style is to make life a bit more difficult. The trade-off is that everyone in the community feels more needed and is bound closer together by sharing work load. Sneaking in occasional uses of modern technology doesn't defeat the purpose.
  - teachrdan 7y ago
    I'm upvoting your comment because I think it's important, and in fact I mostly agree with it. The shared commitment to Amish principles is obviously central to the project of maintaining and continuing an Amish way of life. Having said that, what we see in the example above is a classic example of game theory. The husband is the defector and benefits as a result. Is this an assumption? Of course! Perhaps his wife is playing Smash Bros on a secret Nintendo Switch while her husband is piloting his drone. But the fact remains that there's a lot of technology--specifically washing machines, dishwashers and the like--forbidden by Amish rules that could make her household chores (which she is obligated to do by her gender) much easier.
    - 7y ago

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