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Electron. The trade off between packaging a html/css website as a standalone app in it's own standalone web browser minus toolbar vs apps using native toolkits

Electron. The trade off between packaging a html/css website as a standalone app in it's own standalone web browser minus toolbar vs apps using native toolkits such as AOL or MSN.

dawnerd 7y ago
That's not entirely it. VS Code is Electron (not to mention doing a lot more) and somehow its faster than slack and uses about the same memory.
- 0xDEEPFAC 7y ago
  I think the problem with basing anything off of Electron is that the stack is just too daym high and depends on so many things out of your control. Not to mention Google owns you and your application and could add stuff to Chrome that snoops on your users... It becomes impossible for you to do any sort of quality - even making the original choice to use it means you care about the perceived "convenience" of using CSS and ECMA over performance.
- aganame 7y ago
  You're comparing a software that runs locally to a service that runs mostly through the network. A fairer comparison to vscode would be emacs. Suboptimal code might have something to do with it as well, though.
  - dawnerd 7y ago
    What about vscode remote? That's how I'm doing it. Everything is over the network for the most part.
0xDEEPFAC 7y ago
It's very easy to make a nice application with Electron, but very hard to make one that actually is large and compatible. I mean the system requirements for AOL Instant messenger in 2008 was 300 MHz CPU, 256 RAM, and 250MB of hd space. Compare that to Slack - they don't list the system requirements but I am sure you all know it probably demands at least 1gb of RAM and will use all of it: https://medium.com/@matt.at.ably/wheres-all-my-cpu-and-memory-gone-the-answer-slack-9e5c39207cab https://medium.com/@matt.at.ably/wheres-all-my-cpu-and-memor... Let's face it we are reaching a new dark-age of computer programming away from static typing and caring about performance to a hellscape of ECMA script... https://medium.com/commitlog/electron-is-cancer-b066108e6c32 https://medium.com/commitlog/electron-is-cancer-b066108e6c32

Electron. The trade off between packaging a html/css website as a standalone app in it's own standalone web browser minus toolbar vs apps using native toolkits such as AOL or MSN.

dawnerd 7y ago

That's not entirely it. VS Code is Electron (not to mention doing a lot more) and somehow its faster than slack and uses about the same memory.

0xDEEPFAC 7y ago
I think the problem with basing anything off of Electron is that the stack is just too daym high and depends on so many things out of your control. Not to mention Google owns you and your application and could add stuff to Chrome that snoops on your users... It becomes impossible for you to do any sort of quality - even making the original choice to use it means you care about the perceived "convenience" of using CSS and ECMA over performance.
aganame 7y ago
You're comparing a software that runs locally to a service that runs mostly through the network. A fairer comparison to vscode would be emacs. Suboptimal code might have something to do with it as well, though.
- dawnerd 7y ago
  What about vscode remote? That's how I'm doing it. Everything is over the network for the most part.

0xDEEPFAC 7y ago

It's very easy to make a nice application with Electron, but very hard to make one that actually is large and compatible. I mean the system requirements for AOL Instant messenger in 2008 was 300 MHz CPU, 256 RAM, and 250MB of hd space. Compare that to Slack - they don't list the system requirements but I am sure you all know it probably demands at least 1gb of RAM and will use all of it: https://medium.com/@matt.at.ably/wheres-all-my-cpu-and-memory-gone-the-answer-slack-9e5c39207cab https://medium.com/@matt.at.ably/wheres-all-my-cpu-and-memor... Let's face it we are reaching a new dark-age of computer programming away from static typing and caring about performance to a hellscape of ECMA script... https://medium.com/commitlog/electron-is-cancer-b066108e6c32 https://medium.com/commitlog/electron-is-cancer-b066108e6c32