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The whole notion of employing off duty police as security is antithetical to the proper administration of justice and highlights systematic malaise. As well as

The whole notion of employing off duty police as security is antithetical to the proper administration of justice and highlights systematic malaise. As well as the fear of robbery for such a low value and traceable item. Edit because I can't reply: Just off duty police. Police have significant powers, even off duty. In addition, if you pay them well they might do favors for you when on duty. Like looking for someone in the police databases, telling you about police operations etc. There are many security guards who are not people who failed to become police. Some are ex police, ex Army etc, but there are limited situations when an armed response is rational, and a $50k Mac is not one of them. An insurance policy is much cheaper. Having said that, I recommend Samoans (wide) and Sudanese (tall) for unarmed intimidation potential.

catalogia 7y ago
Do you oppose security guards in general, or only off-duty police officers working as security guards? I ask because as far as I can tell the practical alternative is to hire some guy who flunked out of the police academy and became a security guard instead, which seems... worse. Personally I navigate life without hiring any security guards. But I recognize that some people and/or circumstances might have legitimate need for one.
- ClumsyPilot 7y ago
  I think the beef is with the idea that police have a trusted role in society, that is incompatible with being "goons for hire"
- madengr 7y ago
  I’d just open carry my .45 into the Apple store. Probably wouldn’t go over well with the typical Apple crowd, but guarantee you won’t be robbed.
  - wyclif 7y ago
    I did that once with a Glock 20. I didn't care if went over well; no way I'm gonna receive a large corporate order and move it to the parking lot at night any other way. No way to tell who had access to the order info in their system, though I will say I'd trust Apple on privacy far more than I would most other hardware companies.
pmiller2 7y ago
I wouldn’t call $50k a “low value” item. What item does the average person own that’s worth $50k besides a house or a car?
- antris 7y ago
  Watches, jewellery etc. Low value is relative. $50k is a lot to many people, but compared to human life, $50k isn't worth the risk.
  - skinnymuch 7y ago
    Average person though, no? Im not sure even half the people in the 97th percentile having one watch or piece of jewelry worth $50K.
    - antris 7y ago
      Depending on where you live and what you prioritize. Among the people I know, very few own their apartment or use a car. And a $50k car is not the cheapest either... In the US it might be an average, but here in Europe where the public transportation works well you have to be making a lot of money to have a $50k car be worth it in the city. In my case, it could then be argued that the average person doesn't own a car or a house either. Many families have watches or jewellery that gets passed down the family tree. A $50k watch or a piece of jewellery is something that lasts for many generations. Most people who own a watch of in that price point never paid for it, but got it as a gift. Also, timepieces of that value often rise up in value. Anyway, it's beside the point. Whether the average person owns what doesn't affect what $50k is relative to a human life.
      - im3w1l 7y ago
        Watches are basically obsolete today. I expect them to gradually drop in value over the next 50 years as older generations die off. Especially mid-tier ones. Top of the top will maintain value because of demand from eccentrics and low-tier ones don't have much value in the first place.
detaro 7y ago
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catalogia 7y ago

Do you oppose security guards in general, or only off-duty police officers working as security guards? I ask because as far as I can tell the practical alternative is to hire some guy who flunked out of the police academy and became a security guard instead, which seems... worse. Personally I navigate life without hiring any security guards. But I recognize that some people and/or circumstances might have legitimate need for one.

ClumsyPilot 7y ago
I think the beef is with the idea that police have a trusted role in society, that is incompatible with being "goons for hire"
madengr 7y ago
I’d just open carry my .45 into the Apple store. Probably wouldn’t go over well with the typical Apple crowd, but guarantee you won’t be robbed.
- wyclif 7y ago
  I did that once with a Glock 20. I didn't care if went over well; no way I'm gonna receive a large corporate order and move it to the parking lot at night any other way. No way to tell who had access to the order info in their system, though I will say I'd trust Apple on privacy far more than I would most other hardware companies.

pmiller2 7y ago

I wouldn’t call $50k a “low value” item. What item does the average person own that’s worth $50k besides a house or a car?

antris 7y ago
Watches, jewellery etc. Low value is relative. $50k is a lot to many people, but compared to human life, $50k isn't worth the risk.
- skinnymuch 7y ago
  Average person though, no? Im not sure even half the people in the 97th percentile having one watch or piece of jewelry worth $50K.
  - antris 7y ago
    Depending on where you live and what you prioritize. Among the people I know, very few own their apartment or use a car. And a $50k car is not the cheapest either... In the US it might be an average, but here in Europe where the public transportation works well you have to be making a lot of money to have a $50k car be worth it in the city. In my case, it could then be argued that the average person doesn't own a car or a house either. Many families have watches or jewellery that gets passed down the family tree. A $50k watch or a piece of jewellery is something that lasts for many generations. Most people who own a watch of in that price point never paid for it, but got it as a gift. Also, timepieces of that value often rise up in value. Anyway, it's beside the point. Whether the average person owns what doesn't affect what $50k is relative to a human life.
    - im3w1l 7y ago
      Watches are basically obsolete today. I expect them to gradually drop in value over the next 50 years as older generations die off. Especially mid-tier ones. Top of the top will maintain value because of demand from eccentrics and low-tier ones don't have much value in the first place.

detaro 7y ago

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