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>How does anyone think it's acceptable to [funcitonally] detain people From the business perspective, provided they can get a way with it, it is just another b
by matz1 7y ago
>How does anyone think it's acceptable to [funcitonally] detain people
From the business perspective, provided they can get a way with it, it is just another business decision, namely reducing cost and increasing profit. I would do the same.
- eropple 7y agoAlternatively, you could treat people like people and give them an actual measure of respect instead of stealing time and money from them. But, frankly, literally every time without exception that I remember seeing you post, it's been a variation on the theme of "of course they shouldn't be decent, why should they, I shouldn't have to be decent either", so I'm going to pass on being surprised.
- matz1 7y ago>Alternatively, you could treat people like people and give them an actual measure of respect instead of stealing time and money from them Thats depends on what one value, if you think treat people like people is important then yes you should do it but if one value profit then doing what apple did make sense.
- angry_octet 7y agoWould you be unhappy if someone stole money from your bank account? Because you're condoning theft. It's not clever business practices, it's theft.
- matz1 7y ago>Would you be unhappy if someone stole money from your bank account? If I'm the one being stolen, of course but not if I'm the one who stole (again provided I will not be in trouble). Provided they won't get in trouble, how is it not a clever business practice?
- eropple 7y agoBecause we have obligations to each other because we live in a society? Because it's fucking wrong to do it?
- matz1 7y agoNot everyone is agree with that. If everyone did that we wouldn't need police.
- ClumsyPilot 7y agoIs there anything you consider going too far at all? Murdering people to harvest organs?
- matz1 7y ago>Is there anything you consider going too far at all Yes, when the risk/cost outweigh the benefit. >Murdering people to harvest organs? Same thing, if benefit outweigh the cost then yes it will be done. Thats why murder is illegal, carry a severe punishment.
- JohnFen 7y ago> it is just another business decision, namely reducing cost and increasing profit. And effectively stealing from their employees. > I would do the same. You would steal from your employees too?
- matz1 7y ago> You would steal from your employees too? if the benefit > risk/cost then absolutely.
- JohnFen 7y agoI hope that I never accidentally work for or do business with one of your companies, then.
- matz1 7y agoFair enough, I would do it as long as I can still find employee, in other words as long as I can get away with it. Likewise, for Apple if their action is not costly enough, they will continue doing it.
- eropple 7y agoIf this isn't an extended schtick, please seek out psychiatric help. That is neither an insult not a joke. This is virulently antisocial.
- ClumsyPilot 7y agoI mean this guy is basically a good illustration of what we need to keep in mind when we make laws and regulations.
- throwaway2048 7y agoGrinding up babies into a fine powder might be profitable too, just another business decision,provided they can get away with it.
- matz1 7y agoYes its simply cost/benefit analysis.
- throwaway2048 7y agoSo you would do the same?
- matz1 7y agoI would not but I would not surprise if some people do. Thats why there is severe punishment for grinding baby.
- svnpenn 7y agoWhen did you lose your soul?
- lotsofpulp 7y agoAll the buyers who choose to buy at cheaper prices from sellers who cut corners such as matz1 is saying enable the behavior. Sweatshops are common knowledge, yet everyone has no problem continuing to purchase garments from them at cheaper prices, not to mention the electronics, chemicals, and who knows what else we get from other places with even more lax oversight. In some businesses, I bet you can’t even survive if you don’t abuse employees since customers will simply buy from someone who will.
- pdkl95 7y agoThere is no ethical consumption under capitalism. https://marxist.ca/article/why-there-is-no-ethical-consumption-under-capitalism https://marxist.ca/article/why-there-is-no-ethical-consumpti... > I bet you can’t even survive if you don’t abuse employees So what? It's still abuse.
- lotsofpulp 7y agoMy point is it’s funny to see people call out others’ abuse of employees when the same people, the vast majority of the time, support the abusers by choosing to support their business. The proper response needs to be political support for laws to protect all labor with harsh penalties, not waiting for certain groups to sue in court.
- throwaway2048 7y agolets say hypothetically, nearly every farm worker was horribly abused. Would people be hypocrites that shouldn't dare call out that injustice because they need to eat? Acting like participation in a system is some kind of grave strike against protesting terrible aspects of the system is less than helpful, both logically and rhetorically. It is pretty much the definition of tu quoque and a really lazy defence of the status quo