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So Huawei is coping US companies and still creating better equipment than those it copy from? Ask anyone (well maybe anyone outside the US) in the tele industry

by Dahoon 7y ago

So Huawei is coping US companies and still creating better equipment than those it copy from? Ask anyone (well maybe anyone outside the US) in the tele industry and they'll tell you that Huawei is cheaper, better and also faster to fix a problem in both software and hardware. At least I have never heard anyone state otherwise outside of anon people on a forum. So, ask a real person and see.

otterley 7y ago
The argument goes that Huawei would not be able to "create better equipment" had they been unable to wrongfully copy others' work in the first place. If the allegations are true, Huawei enjoys a position that resulted from unlawful and immoral behavior, and their ill-gotten gains should be confiscated from them. Who knows what would have happened had Huawei done all their own R&D in the first place. Maybe they'd be in the same place as they are today; maybe not. But when you start from a position of copying someone else's work, the presumption is that everything you added since is tainted, and any profits should be someone else's, not yours.
- sand_castles 7y ago
  relax bro, we all stand in other's shoulders. also, you in what army ? are you going to invade Asia ?
  - otterley 7y ago
    There are two ways to stand on another’s shoulders. One is with consent; the other (to mix legal metaphors) is assault. It would be one thing if Huawei said, “do you mind if I use this?” and received permission. But if they had to use deception to gather information, that’s a pretty clear indication that it’s wrong and is done without consent.
    - sand_castles 7y ago
      The entire legal system that exists as of today is mainly to benefit rich folks. You should read the book "Code of Capital". The CCP has made it clear that "rule of law" as stated by Mr. Obama is about favoring western capital interests. I think it's a bigger crime that 6 billion people do not get to enjoy the same standard of living as the 2 billion people on top. By having no brittle IP rules, the CCP makes sure Chinese businesses stay dynamic and continue to dominate.
  - totalZero 7y ago
    Hypothetically speaking....the no-armies-involved solution would be to ban their products, take possession of their US assets, encourage allies to boycott their products, sue them in foreign courts, and repatriate manufacturing of US-based companies' devices to make the Huawei spying campaign far more difficult.
    - sand_castles 7y ago
      > ban their products which ? the cheap phone everybody uses while taking a dump ? > take possession of their US assets. which ? UST bonds ? in the situation you describe, the Chinese supply chain are far more valuable. > encourage allies to boycott their products nobody is stupid enough to allow their teenagers to fight a land war in Asia. > sue them in foreign courts. Sue them where ? Hague ? how does it stop them selling phones to africans / other asians exactly ? > repatriate manufacturing of US-based companies' devices Do you have a 300 million + healthy well educated labour force working for sub 15 dollars an hour ? Good Luck Bro !
chaos_a 7y ago
The problem with that is if Huawei succeeds with stolen technology, which at this point is known true, then who exactly will create new hardware and software? Since these companies aren't earning anything from stolen tech. Huawei will actually have to do something themselves and wind up charging the same amount as everyone else.

by Dahoon 7y ago

otterley 7y ago

The argument goes that Huawei would not be able to "create better equipment" had they been unable to wrongfully copy others' work in the first place. If the allegations are true, Huawei enjoys a position that resulted from unlawful and immoral behavior, and their ill-gotten gains should be confiscated from them. Who knows what would have happened had Huawei done all their own R&D in the first place. Maybe they'd be in the same place as they are today; maybe not. But when you start from a position of copying someone else's work, the presumption is that everything you added since is tainted, and any profits should be someone else's, not yours.

sand_castles 7y ago
relax bro, we all stand in other's shoulders. also, you in what army ? are you going to invade Asia ?
- otterley 7y ago
  There are two ways to stand on another’s shoulders. One is with consent; the other (to mix legal metaphors) is assault. It would be one thing if Huawei said, “do you mind if I use this?” and received permission. But if they had to use deception to gather information, that’s a pretty clear indication that it’s wrong and is done without consent.
  - sand_castles 7y ago
    The entire legal system that exists as of today is mainly to benefit rich folks. You should read the book "Code of Capital". The CCP has made it clear that "rule of law" as stated by Mr. Obama is about favoring western capital interests. I think it's a bigger crime that 6 billion people do not get to enjoy the same standard of living as the 2 billion people on top. By having no brittle IP rules, the CCP makes sure Chinese businesses stay dynamic and continue to dominate.
- totalZero 7y ago
  Hypothetically speaking....the no-armies-involved solution would be to ban their products, take possession of their US assets, encourage allies to boycott their products, sue them in foreign courts, and repatriate manufacturing of US-based companies' devices to make the Huawei spying campaign far more difficult.
  - sand_castles 7y ago
    > ban their products which ? the cheap phone everybody uses while taking a dump ? > take possession of their US assets. which ? UST bonds ? in the situation you describe, the Chinese supply chain are far more valuable. > encourage allies to boycott their products nobody is stupid enough to allow their teenagers to fight a land war in Asia. > sue them in foreign courts. Sue them where ? Hague ? how does it stop them selling phones to africans / other asians exactly ? > repatriate manufacturing of US-based companies' devices Do you have a 300 million + healthy well educated labour force working for sub 15 dollars an hour ? Good Luck Bro !

chaos_a 7y ago

The problem with that is if Huawei succeeds with stolen technology, which at this point is known true, then who exactly will create new hardware and software? Since these companies aren't earning anything from stolen tech. Huawei will actually have to do something themselves and wind up charging the same amount as everyone else.