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We left the 18th and 19th century a long time ago. It's not disingenuous to single out China for this behavior since China is one of the biggest player doing it

We left the 18th and 19th century a long time ago. It's not disingenuous to single out China for this behavior since China is one of the biggest player doing it and reaping so much from it in our time. Plus, whataboutism.

sangnoir 7y ago
> We left the 18th and 19th century a long time ago. So? It's not like the US didn't know that it was breaking British laws back then. IP protectionism is nothing new, it is is fair to make comparisons to 18th/19th century events.
- pinkfoot 7y ago
  > it is is fair to make comparisons to 18th/19th century events? Yes
- johnchristopher 7y ago
  It all depends of what you make of that comparison. Are you saying it's okay because others did it before ? That it shouldn't be debated ? What's the position ? What is the point of preventing people from saying China is playing the IP theft game hard at the moment ?
  - sangnoir 7y ago
    > Are you saying it's okay because others did it before ? Yes and no - it depends entirely on whose perspective you are arguing from (upstart vs. establishment), and even that changes over time. For the US, it used to be okay, but no longer is. Also it's not "others" who did it before, but the very same nation-state that is now screaming blue murder. > That it shouldn't be debated ? Oh, it should absolutely be debated, but the US has no moral high ground when making its arguments. Turnabout is fair play
    - johnchristopher 7y ago
      > Also it's not "others" who did it before, but the very same nation-state that is now screaming blue murder. Well, this is the classic continuity problem: is the US from centuries ago the same US of today ? > Oh, it should absolutely be debated, but the US has no moral high ground when making its arguments. Turnabout is fair play I am from Europe. Anyway, I disagree. Moral stances aren't cancelled because past wrongdoings.

sangnoir 7y ago

> We left the 18th and 19th century a long time ago. So? It's not like the US didn't know that it was breaking British laws back then. IP protectionism is nothing new, it is is fair to make comparisons to 18th/19th century events.

pinkfoot 7y ago
> it is is fair to make comparisons to 18th/19th century events? Yes
johnchristopher 7y ago
It all depends of what you make of that comparison. Are you saying it's okay because others did it before ? That it shouldn't be debated ? What's the position ? What is the point of preventing people from saying China is playing the IP theft game hard at the moment ?
- sangnoir 7y ago
  > Are you saying it's okay because others did it before ? Yes and no - it depends entirely on whose perspective you are arguing from (upstart vs. establishment), and even that changes over time. For the US, it used to be okay, but no longer is. Also it's not "others" who did it before, but the very same nation-state that is now screaming blue murder. > That it shouldn't be debated ? Oh, it should absolutely be debated, but the US has no moral high ground when making its arguments. Turnabout is fair play
  - johnchristopher 7y ago
    > Also it's not "others" who did it before, but the very same nation-state that is now screaming blue murder. Well, this is the classic continuity problem: is the US from centuries ago the same US of today ? > Oh, it should absolutely be debated, but the US has no moral high ground when making its arguments. Turnabout is fair play I am from Europe. Anyway, I disagree. Moral stances aren't cancelled because past wrongdoings.