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Do you think other countries would have done better? I'm personally impressed with how decisively China has been handling this pandemic. Don't mean to go off t

Do you think other countries would have done better? I'm personally impressed with how decisively China has been handling this pandemic. Don't mean to go off topic, but general China bashing isn't productive. Lumping together all China related topics as if it was all the grand project of an evil mastermind is only good in the movies.

tharne 7y ago
> I'm personally impressed with how decisively China has been handling this pandemic. You mean like how they muzzled one of the first doctors who tried to warn the public about it, and then that doctor later died of the virus? Very impressive, if that's how you roll.
frankharv 7y ago
Yes. Especially ones with Free Speech. China literally arrested a doctor for warning his colleagues. I have never heard of anything like that in the Free World.
- colejohnson66 7y ago
  Not exactly the same, but the recent kerfuffle with some pentesters and a courthouse was a thing.
  - sidlls 7y ago
    Not even remotely comparable. A better analogy would be Trump's retaliation against good-faith actors raising complaints about his lawbreaking but it's still a weak one. America isn't any angelic nation, to be sure, but even our worst actions (Trump's retaliation, the border family separation issues) aren't even close to the routine, daily, and pernicious violations of human rights and dignity in China.
sidlls 7y ago
Yes, other countries—specifically ones with more open and free societies—tend to do better on this and numerous other issues. Most of China’s current economic position is due to two factors: 1) the population numbers game; 2) the theft of others’ work (it’s debatable which has been more critical). I wouldn’t care about China’s economic ascendance or even that they used thievery to get it if the country weren’t an oppressive dictatorship. This isn’t merely a cultural difference: China’s government is absolutely something anybody who values freedom and egalitarianism should be in opposition to.

tharne 7y ago

> I'm personally impressed with how decisively China has been handling this pandemic. You mean like how they muzzled one of the first doctors who tried to warn the public about it, and then that doctor later died of the virus? Very impressive, if that's how you roll.

frankharv 7y ago

Yes. Especially ones with Free Speech. China literally arrested a doctor for warning his colleagues. I have never heard of anything like that in the Free World.

colejohnson66 7y ago
Not exactly the same, but the recent kerfuffle with some pentesters and a courthouse was a thing.
- sidlls 7y ago
  Not even remotely comparable. A better analogy would be Trump's retaliation against good-faith actors raising complaints about his lawbreaking but it's still a weak one. America isn't any angelic nation, to be sure, but even our worst actions (Trump's retaliation, the border family separation issues) aren't even close to the routine, daily, and pernicious violations of human rights and dignity in China.

sidlls 7y ago

Yes, other countries—specifically ones with more open and free societies—tend to do better on this and numerous other issues. Most of China’s current economic position is due to two factors: 1) the population numbers game; 2) the theft of others’ work (it’s debatable which has been more critical). I wouldn’t care about China’s economic ascendance or even that they used thievery to get it if the country weren’t an oppressive dictatorship. This isn’t merely a cultural difference: China’s government is absolutely something anybody who values freedom and egalitarianism should be in opposition to.