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While this doesn't directly have to do with the CCP having backdoors in Huawei products, it does seem a bit too coincidental that the DOJ is just happening to g

While this doesn't directly have to do with the CCP having backdoors in Huawei products, it does seem a bit too coincidental that the DOJ is just happening to go after them since corporate espionage is a common theme when dealing with China. Hopefully this reflects a changing of the tides when it comes to enforcing IP laws in China rather than just an excuse to target a single company. I don't even like IP laws but if we are going to hold the rest of the industrialized world to the letter of the law then at some point China will have to be brought into the fold.

Dahoon 7y ago
>I don't even like IP laws but if we are going to hold the rest of the industrialized world to the letter of the law But we have proof that the NSA steals and shares secrets with US companies so throwing rocks in a glass house maybe?
- Craighead 7y ago
  The scale is not comparable.
DiogenesKynikos 7y ago
I think the perception that people commonly have of IP protection in China is out-of-date by several years. From what I've read, the level of IP enforcement has increased dramatically since about 2014, to the point where there are more IP cases heard in Chinese courts now than in any other country. Likewise, more patents are now filed in China each year than in any other country. It's also not as if local companies always win disputes - foreign companies apparently have a very good track record in Chinese courts. There's a description of the changes in recent years here: 1. https://www.ipwatchdog.com/2018/05/07/rapid-changes-chinese-legal-system-attractive-venue-ip-litigation/ https://www.ipwatchdog.com/2018/05/07/rapid-changes-chinese-... 2. https://thediplomat.com/2018/01/chinas-progress-on-intellectual-property-rights-yes-really/ https://thediplomat.com/2018/01/chinas-progress-on-intellect... Back when China was in the earlier stages of industrialization, it really didn't care much about IP. But things aren't the same any more: China spends about as much on R&D as the US, and it has its own IP to protect. IP law was not on their radar before, but it very much appears to be now. But you can imagine how difficult it is to set such a system up. They've had to create an entirely new legal system, train judges, etc. China has changed so rapidly that it's difficult for these sorts of systems to keep up.
- sounds 7y ago
  China protecting their own IP does not preclude China conducting industrial espionage in other countries; for that matter, the US NSA conducts industrial espionage in other countries for the benefit of US companies. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON
  - DiogenesKynikos 7y ago
    Parent comment asks when China will start respecting IP. I addressed that.

Dahoon 7y ago

>I don't even like IP laws but if we are going to hold the rest of the industrialized world to the letter of the law But we have proof that the NSA steals and shares secrets with US companies so throwing rocks in a glass house maybe?

Craighead 7y ago
The scale is not comparable.

DiogenesKynikos 7y ago

I think the perception that people commonly have of IP protection in China is out-of-date by several years. From what I've read, the level of IP enforcement has increased dramatically since about 2014, to the point where there are more IP cases heard in Chinese courts now than in any other country. Likewise, more patents are now filed in China each year than in any other country. It's also not as if local companies always win disputes - foreign companies apparently have a very good track record in Chinese courts. There's a description of the changes in recent years here: 1. https://www.ipwatchdog.com/2018/05/07/rapid-changes-chinese-legal-system-attractive-venue-ip-litigation/ https://www.ipwatchdog.com/2018/05/07/rapid-changes-chinese-... 2. https://thediplomat.com/2018/01/chinas-progress-on-intellectual-property-rights-yes-really/ https://thediplomat.com/2018/01/chinas-progress-on-intellect... Back when China was in the earlier stages of industrialization, it really didn't care much about IP. But things aren't the same any more: China spends about as much on R&D as the US, and it has its own IP to protect. IP law was not on their radar before, but it very much appears to be now. But you can imagine how difficult it is to set such a system up. They've had to create an entirely new legal system, train judges, etc. China has changed so rapidly that it's difficult for these sorts of systems to keep up.

sounds 7y ago
China protecting their own IP does not preclude China conducting industrial espionage in other countries; for that matter, the US NSA conducts industrial espionage in other countries for the benefit of US companies. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON
- DiogenesKynikos 7y ago
  Parent comment asks when China will start respecting IP. I addressed that.