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Of course it’s up for debate. Everyone thought Amazon would win the contract because they had such a lead in cloud services until Trump got involved as part of

Of course it’s up for debate. Everyone thought Amazon would win the contract because they had such a lead in cloud services until Trump got involved as part of his personal vendetta with Bezos for the Washington Post

m0zg 7y ago
>> Everyone thought Citation needed. I didn't think that for a minute. If anything MS was the only sane choice here, for reasons I wrote of above. >> Trump got involved Citation needed.
- fooey 7y ago
  > when JEDI was issued, on the day Congress recessed for the summer, the deal appeared to be rigged in favor of a single provider: Amazon. According to insiders familiar with the 1,375-page request for proposal, the language contains a host of technical stipulations that only Amazon can meet https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/08/has-bezos-become-more-powerful-in-dc-than-trump https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/08/has-bezos-become-mor...
- ineedasername 7y ago
  >>Citation Needed (Everyone Thought) [0][1][2] Oracle certainly thought Amazon was the front runner, unfairly so, to the point that they began a lawsuit prior to all this current mess. >>Citation Needed (Trump Got involved) [3][4] When the President expresses a desire to "screw" over a potential vendor, that's getting involved. [0] https://apnews.com/3f36de42be3d45b7bee0d2c5febd2557 https://apnews.com/3f36de42be3d45b7bee0d2c5febd2557 [1] https://www.bizjournals.com/sanjose/news/2019/04/11/oracle-pentagon-jedi-cloud-contract-msft-amzn-ibm.html https://www.bizjournals.com/sanjose/news/2019/04/11/oracle-p... [2] https://www.businessinsider.com/heres-why-amazon-is-heavily-favored-to-win-the-10-billion-jedi-contract-2018-10 https://www.businessinsider.com/heres-why-amazon-is-heavily-... [3]https://www.cnbc.com/2019/12/09/amazon-blames-trump-for-losing-jedi-cloud-contract.html https://www.cnbc.com/2019/12/09/amazon-blames-trump-for-losi... [4] https://www.fiercetelecom.com/telecom/trump-mulls-stepping-into-pentagon-s-jedi-cloud-contract-aws-and-microsoft-are-pursuing https://www.fiercetelecom.com/telecom/trump-mulls-stepping-i...
  - zaroth 7y ago
    Your [3] is just a story reporting this story, citing nothing but Amazon’s complaint. Your [4] quotes Trump saying lots of companies are complaining, and an internal ethics investigation at the DoD which turned up someone working on the contract who worked at AWS; > The Pentagon found potential ethical violations by a former Amazon Web Services employee who had worked on JEDI during a stint at the Defense Department, according to a New York Times story. Those potential violations were referred to Office of Inspector General for further investigation.
    - ineedasername 7y ago
      Read more closely. #3 Has a direct quote from President Trump about wanting to "screw" Amazon. Again, #4 shows the President speaking in a way that could cause DoD to feel pressured and might indicate he took further more direct action, though also maybe not: that will come out in pre-trial discovery. You asked for citations that showed the President's involvement. Both of these provide it.
      - m0zg 7y ago
        But it doesn't: "when a book charting then-Defense Secretary James Mattis’ tenure at the White House claimed the president told Mattis to “screw Amazon” out of the contract" That's not a "direct quote" by any stretch of imagination. This is "walls are closing in" and "sources familiar with president's thinking" style news reporting.
        ineedasername 7y ago
        It doesn't have to be a spoken live on TV or written out on twitter for it to be true, accurate, verbatim quote. You're right, "direct" is not the correct word in such a case though. But there's nothing wrong with using sources for reporting, the quality of the reporting simply depends on the quality of the sources. And this one quote is not the only evidence of the President's involvement. There is the other source I cited, as well as plenty of other examples of President Trump expressing displeasure with Amazon for other reasons.
notyourday 7y ago
It was up for debate only among people who think "cloud" is web apps written in NodeJS, Go and Python rather than the old boring applications that used to be ran locally. Microsoft and Oracle are gigantic specialized vendors in that space. "Cloud" part is a commodity.

m0zg 7y ago

>> Everyone thought Citation needed. I didn't think that for a minute. If anything MS was the only sane choice here, for reasons I wrote of above. >> Trump got involved Citation needed.

fooey 7y ago
> when JEDI was issued, on the day Congress recessed for the summer, the deal appeared to be rigged in favor of a single provider: Amazon. According to insiders familiar with the 1,375-page request for proposal, the language contains a host of technical stipulations that only Amazon can meet https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/08/has-bezos-become-more-powerful-in-dc-than-trump https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/08/has-bezos-become-mor...
ineedasername 7y ago
>>Citation Needed (Everyone Thought) [0][1][2] Oracle certainly thought Amazon was the front runner, unfairly so, to the point that they began a lawsuit prior to all this current mess. >>Citation Needed (Trump Got involved) [3][4] When the President expresses a desire to "screw" over a potential vendor, that's getting involved. [0] https://apnews.com/3f36de42be3d45b7bee0d2c5febd2557 https://apnews.com/3f36de42be3d45b7bee0d2c5febd2557 [1] https://www.bizjournals.com/sanjose/news/2019/04/11/oracle-pentagon-jedi-cloud-contract-msft-amzn-ibm.html https://www.bizjournals.com/sanjose/news/2019/04/11/oracle-p... [2] https://www.businessinsider.com/heres-why-amazon-is-heavily-favored-to-win-the-10-billion-jedi-contract-2018-10 https://www.businessinsider.com/heres-why-amazon-is-heavily-... [3]https://www.cnbc.com/2019/12/09/amazon-blames-trump-for-losing-jedi-cloud-contract.html https://www.cnbc.com/2019/12/09/amazon-blames-trump-for-losi... [4] https://www.fiercetelecom.com/telecom/trump-mulls-stepping-into-pentagon-s-jedi-cloud-contract-aws-and-microsoft-are-pursuing https://www.fiercetelecom.com/telecom/trump-mulls-stepping-i...
- zaroth 7y ago
  Your [3] is just a story reporting this story, citing nothing but Amazon’s complaint. Your [4] quotes Trump saying lots of companies are complaining, and an internal ethics investigation at the DoD which turned up someone working on the contract who worked at AWS; > The Pentagon found potential ethical violations by a former Amazon Web Services employee who had worked on JEDI during a stint at the Defense Department, according to a New York Times story. Those potential violations were referred to Office of Inspector General for further investigation.
  - ineedasername 7y ago
    Read more closely. #3 Has a direct quote from President Trump about wanting to "screw" Amazon. Again, #4 shows the President speaking in a way that could cause DoD to feel pressured and might indicate he took further more direct action, though also maybe not: that will come out in pre-trial discovery. You asked for citations that showed the President's involvement. Both of these provide it.
    - m0zg 7y ago
      But it doesn't: "when a book charting then-Defense Secretary James Mattis’ tenure at the White House claimed the president told Mattis to “screw Amazon” out of the contract" That's not a "direct quote" by any stretch of imagination. This is "walls are closing in" and "sources familiar with president's thinking" style news reporting.
      - ineedasername 7y ago
        It doesn't have to be a spoken live on TV or written out on twitter for it to be true, accurate, verbatim quote. You're right, "direct" is not the correct word in such a case though. But there's nothing wrong with using sources for reporting, the quality of the reporting simply depends on the quality of the sources. And this one quote is not the only evidence of the President's involvement. There is the other source I cited, as well as plenty of other examples of President Trump expressing displeasure with Amazon for other reasons.

notyourday 7y ago

It was up for debate only among people who think "cloud" is web apps written in NodeJS, Go and Python rather than the old boring applications that used to be ran locally. Microsoft and Oracle are gigantic specialized vendors in that space. "Cloud" part is a commodity.