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Actually, before you go putting others down, you should read about how this stuff works. It's highly dependent on what the market ends up being defined as. If

by akashs 16y ago

Actually, before you go putting others down, you should read about how this stuff works. It's highly dependent on what the market ends up being defined as. If you're talking smartphones, Apple certainly has more than 4%. MP3 players, again more than 4%. Tablets, again more than 4%. And if you don't like the app store, Apple prevents you from selling it to customers through other means. So you can't exactly go somewhere else. Customers also just can't pick up and move to Android because of all the money they've spent on apps and content on an iPad. Also, there's plenty of points that have been made as to why Zach's comment isn't necessarily "spot on" across the many times it has been posted. Many of them haven't really been addressed.

lotusleaf1987 16y ago
There are more Android phones sold than iOS devices every month. Apple doesn't have a monopoly on anything, however they do control/own their app store and they can refuse to sell whatever they want in it. If you don't like it then don't support Apple by buying Apple products, sell your apps on Android. Actions speak louder than words. Also, Jaaron was much more condescending that I was: I'm tired of seeing Zach's comment reposted as if it's some sort of inspired gospel.
- akashs 16y ago
  Kindly explain to me where above I made any mention of Apple having a monopoly. But if you must push me: http://www.google.com/search?btnG=1&pws=0&q=apple+mp3+market+share http://www.google.com/search?btnG=1&pws=0&q=apple+mp... and http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=apple+tablet+market+share http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&#3... Now when you're trying to sell apps on those devices, and Apple wants to 30% of anything that is sold for those devices and intentionally blocks out perfectly reasonable businesses, that becomes anti-competitive Edit: Btw, I have stopped. I just bought a DroidX instead of the Verizon iPhone. But that won't get me my $600 back for my iPad or the money for my iTouch. Or the money for the apps I've paid for.
  - lotusleaf1987 16y ago
    Read my first comment again quoting Zach, it's pretty clear: "Of course Rhapsody [insert Last.fm] can't sell their stuff for a 30% margin. It's not their own stuff! They're trying to be the last link in a chain of 90/10 (or more) splits. They repackage record labels' repackaging of artists' content. Do you think the artists would find 30% economically untenable? The App Store is 70/30 because Apple can take things straight from content producer to customer. When the Apple takes the place of publishing, distribution, inventory, sales, payments and shipping, there's real value for that 30%. When all someone wants out of Apple is merely to process the payment and send things down the pipe, gee, who do they think they are? But that's not what Apple is actually holding themselves out as. Apple doesn't want to be in that kind of commodity market anyway. Seems reasonable to me." Apple is giving them distribution, billing, discovery/advertising, inventory, shipping, et al-- 30% is a pretty fair cut I'd say, but hey if you disagree, don't support them. And why would you expect to get your money back? You had no guarantee at the time you bought the Apps or iPad that the marketplace rules wouldn't changes, that's to be expected as nearly every marketplace's rules change frequently: see Amazon, eBay, etsy, Wal-Mart, whoever. I really don't understand your complaint. Also, I'm tired of discussing this topic as it seems most people have already made up their minds on the issue regardless of the facts surrounding the situation. Disclosure: typing on a Dell, I own a Blackberry and an HTC Aria, and I own a Macbook. I am agnostic to corporate entities, but I can step back and try to detach myself and be as objective as I can.
    - akashs 16y ago
      Yes, I've read the post several times, both the original and your many reposts of it. The trouble is is that it's not clear at all. How does Apple do any inventory management or "shipping" given we're talking about digital goods? By having a counter for number of downloads? When have they ever done advertising or promotion the 99% of apps not lucky to be featured on in the ads? I'll agree they do some distribution and payment processing, but that's about it. And I never said I had an expectation to get my money back. But when I paid money for hardware, I expect to be whatever I please with that hardware. I didn't pay $600 just to get access to Apple's app store on a 10" screen. I paid $600 to be able to take advantage of the capabilities of the iPad. Things like netflix and Kindle were a big factor in that decision (and honestly are some of the best things you can do with it). Apple has blocked out any way of doing anything other than the app store, so it is a big deal. The fact that they sold me hardware doesn't entitle them to 30% of revenues from everything anyone wants to use that for.

by akashs 16y ago

lotusleaf1987 16y ago

There are more Android phones sold than iOS devices every month. Apple doesn't have a monopoly on anything, however they do control/own their app store and they can refuse to sell whatever they want in it. If you don't like it then don't support Apple by buying Apple products, sell your apps on Android. Actions speak louder than words. Also, Jaaron was much more condescending that I was: I'm tired of seeing Zach's comment reposted as if it's some sort of inspired gospel.

akashs 16y ago
Kindly explain to me where above I made any mention of Apple having a monopoly. But if you must push me: http://www.google.com/search?btnG=1&pws=0&q=apple+mp3+market+share http://www.google.com/search?btnG=1&pws=0&q=apple+mp... and http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=apple+tablet+market+share http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&#3... Now when you're trying to sell apps on those devices, and Apple wants to 30% of anything that is sold for those devices and intentionally blocks out perfectly reasonable businesses, that becomes anti-competitive Edit: Btw, I have stopped. I just bought a DroidX instead of the Verizon iPhone. But that won't get me my $600 back for my iPad or the money for my iTouch. Or the money for the apps I've paid for.
- lotusleaf1987 16y ago
  Read my first comment again quoting Zach, it's pretty clear: "Of course Rhapsody [insert Last.fm] can't sell their stuff for a 30% margin. It's not their own stuff! They're trying to be the last link in a chain of 90/10 (or more) splits. They repackage record labels' repackaging of artists' content. Do you think the artists would find 30% economically untenable? The App Store is 70/30 because Apple can take things straight from content producer to customer. When the Apple takes the place of publishing, distribution, inventory, sales, payments and shipping, there's real value for that 30%. When all someone wants out of Apple is merely to process the payment and send things down the pipe, gee, who do they think they are? But that's not what Apple is actually holding themselves out as. Apple doesn't want to be in that kind of commodity market anyway. Seems reasonable to me." Apple is giving them distribution, billing, discovery/advertising, inventory, shipping, et al-- 30% is a pretty fair cut I'd say, but hey if you disagree, don't support them. And why would you expect to get your money back? You had no guarantee at the time you bought the Apps or iPad that the marketplace rules wouldn't changes, that's to be expected as nearly every marketplace's rules change frequently: see Amazon, eBay, etsy, Wal-Mart, whoever. I really don't understand your complaint. Also, I'm tired of discussing this topic as it seems most people have already made up their minds on the issue regardless of the facts surrounding the situation. Disclosure: typing on a Dell, I own a Blackberry and an HTC Aria, and I own a Macbook. I am agnostic to corporate entities, but I can step back and try to detach myself and be as objective as I can.
  - akashs 16y ago
    Yes, I've read the post several times, both the original and your many reposts of it. The trouble is is that it's not clear at all. How does Apple do any inventory management or "shipping" given we're talking about digital goods? By having a counter for number of downloads? When have they ever done advertising or promotion the 99% of apps not lucky to be featured on in the ads? I'll agree they do some distribution and payment processing, but that's about it. And I never said I had an expectation to get my money back. But when I paid money for hardware, I expect to be whatever I please with that hardware. I didn't pay $600 just to get access to Apple's app store on a 10" screen. I paid $600 to be able to take advantage of the capabilities of the iPad. Things like netflix and Kindle were a big factor in that decision (and honestly are some of the best things you can do with it). Apple has blocked out any way of doing anything other than the app store, so it is a big deal. The fact that they sold me hardware doesn't entitle them to 30% of revenues from everything anyone wants to use that for.