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I'm trying to grow while doing a lot of cardio which takes a quite different eating approach. If I want the benefits of autophagy I would do a few days of keto

I'm trying to grow while doing a lot of cardio which takes a quite different eating approach. If I want the benefits of autophagy I would do a few days of keto followed by a few days of fasting. During the fast I would eat small amounts of carbs, near zero protein and small amounts of fat. After that I would eat properly for a few days, say a week and repeat the cycle. The duration of the keto would be something like 4-6 days but if I get bored with it I would cut it down to minimum 2. The fast too should last until I no longer feel like it.

kingludite 7y ago
Not sure why the down vote but ill give some more details the post was perhaps lacking. A few days of keto to get adjusted for fat burning. Doing that while fasting seems to harsh. Similarly, shutting down the digestive system entirely for longer than 48 hours seems nonsensical and dangerous while one meal per day seems slacking off. A small amount of food less than 10 gr protein (hard to digest) 40 ish grams of carbs and 30 ish grams of fat should be enough to remedy the sense of starvation while not breaking the fast. The variable duration is because I want to enjoy what I'm doing and I listen to my body. You also don't have the sense of failure if you plan things like this. Cheating while dieting seems the nr 1 reason to give up. For example, people always get fat again after they give up on a diet. That keto might be bad if done for longer than a week makes this comfortable approach all the more appealing.
- toomuchtodo 7y ago
  Have you considered intermittent fasting instead of keto? Compliance is easier IMHO, and when paired with weight lifting, results are rapidly observed. Also would recommend swimming for cardio.
  - kingludite 7y ago
    Yes but I see no reason for 24 hour cycles. So few hours is rather short for a fast. Keto seems great to switch on fat burning. Fasting will do it too of course but there is already enough stress when fasting. If it doesn't need to happen all at the same time I'd rather not.
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firethief 7y ago
The cyclic ketogenic diet typically takes a heroic amount of exercise; otherwise you end up spending most of your time in the unpleasant transitioning-to-ketogenic state. But do what works for you. I do proper ADF or modified ADF when I'm cutting, and good ol' eat-all-the-time when I'm bulking.

kingludite 7y ago

Not sure why the down vote but ill give some more details the post was perhaps lacking. A few days of keto to get adjusted for fat burning. Doing that while fasting seems to harsh. Similarly, shutting down the digestive system entirely for longer than 48 hours seems nonsensical and dangerous while one meal per day seems slacking off. A small amount of food less than 10 gr protein (hard to digest) 40 ish grams of carbs and 30 ish grams of fat should be enough to remedy the sense of starvation while not breaking the fast. The variable duration is because I want to enjoy what I'm doing and I listen to my body. You also don't have the sense of failure if you plan things like this. Cheating while dieting seems the nr 1 reason to give up. For example, people always get fat again after they give up on a diet. That keto might be bad if done for longer than a week makes this comfortable approach all the more appealing.

toomuchtodo 7y ago
Have you considered intermittent fasting instead of keto? Compliance is easier IMHO, and when paired with weight lifting, results are rapidly observed. Also would recommend swimming for cardio.
- kingludite 7y ago
  Yes but I see no reason for 24 hour cycles. So few hours is rather short for a fast. Keto seems great to switch on fat burning. Fasting will do it too of course but there is already enough stress when fasting. If it doesn't need to happen all at the same time I'd rather not.
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firethief 7y ago

The cyclic ketogenic diet typically takes a heroic amount of exercise; otherwise you end up spending most of your time in the unpleasant transitioning-to-ketogenic state. But do what works for you. I do proper ADF or modified ADF when I'm cutting, and good ol' eat-all-the-time when I'm bulking.